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I do not appreciate Bono's comments in the New York Times

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While I may agree totally with Bono, I appreciate what he's said in the past and in the article your mad about. It seems that Bono is the only celebrity that hasn't flat out slammed America or its leaders in the last ten years, and that alone is respectable.

 

WHat I don't appreciate was how viral and prejudiced this thread became, and sort of still is.

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ok so a pile of pages went missing from here whats going on....????????
God forbid anyone disagree with Bono. He's a freaking kook these days.  

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So how does trying to do good things make him a kook?

Claiming to have told your dad not to meet with Bono and he concurred....that sounds a little kooky...isn't that the gist of your earlier post?

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All my replies are gone except for one??  Was I that offensive?  *pats self of back*

 

Basher, I am following in your footsteps!

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God forbid anyone disagree with Bono. He's a freaking kook these days.  

If she hadn´t pulled out the nationality card or not implied he shouldn´t talk about American problems at all I´d have been ok with it because then it´d have been a disagreement only. And disagreeing with Bono or anyone is fine but a veto... that´s what I´m not cool with. 

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And there was me thinking that American society was supposed to be based on freedom of speech and the right to express an opinion. Whether or not you happen to hold the right to vote in the country you say it. (Not referring to any posts that have been removed here btw as I suspect they were more to do with being abusive and not very constructive than actually discussing the subject).

 

Debate is good - whether or not you agree with something. Turning round and saying 'how dare you say' to anyone is unhelpful at best... at worst well... completely at odds with every thing that democracy is supposed to be.

 

The original poster speaks of liberty. Perhaps she should consider the liberty of speaking freely.

 

How ironic.

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Like America hasn't had an input to every other country in the world.... including the current world economic problem, which if i'm not mistaken was started in the US, don't get me started on providing weapons & funding for terrorists!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Sometimes personal thoughts should be kept as such

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This health care bill passes all of the die hard liberals will be voted out of office next year's election.
 Not only liberals and democrats. Most of the republicans are gone also. We're going to clean house. We need to "reboot" Congress. Not America. They are what's wrong with this country. There's where the "change" needs to happen first.

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*laughs*

 

and *Laughs again*

 

as i's always says, major politics should probably be left off the board. and any music board.

 

"CONE OF SILENCE!!!!!!!!!" hahah as the panthkatus says watching a star trek dvd.

 

 

"CONE!!!!" "OF SILENCE!" hahah

*laughs at him*

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obama lover or not... mccain lover or not, bush lover or not, for bono political views or not.. it could be worse: we could be having fucking Donny Osmond as president instead.

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Bono helps another third world country, the US.

What does that mean, you with the guinea pig on your head?

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American pride sometimes is its Achille's Heel....this is how history's greatest empires perished....Adapt!!! Lived in Australia for 12yrs....had universal health care, higher taxes than here (U.S), little 'socialistic' practices, but all in all, a great country....now #2 country to live in the world. How hypocritical is this? WWII, they (U.S.) had the draft....and the wives were the ones who had to manufacture the weapons (now explain to us how that didn't violate the freedom to choose?). With that said, it took America out of the Great Depression.

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And there was me thinking that American society was supposed to be based on freedom of speech and the right to express an opinion. Whether or not you happen to hold the right to vote in the country you say it. (Not referring to any posts that have been removed here btw as I suspect they were more to do with being abusive and not very constructive than actually discussing the subject).

 

Debate is good - whether or not you agree with something. Turning round and saying 'how dare you say' to anyone is unhelpful at best... at worst well... completely at odds with every thing that democracy is supposed to be.

 

The original poster speaks of liberty. Perhaps she should consider the liberty of speaking freely.

 

How ironic.

Speeking of freedom of speech...

 

I believe that freedom of speech doesn't apply to highly offensive comments (or just plaaaaaain ignorant). If my comments are being removed because I was calling names or being racist, for example, that's fine. But if they were removed because of different opinions, now that's not good.

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[quote name='Bob L wrote:


paigecat']This health care bill passes all of the die hard liberals will be voted out of office next year's election.

 Not only liberals and democrats. Most of the republicans are gone also. We're going to clean house. We need to "reboot" Congress. Not America. They are what's wrong with this country. There's where the "change" needs to happen first.

 

Restar. And. Reboot yourself. :D

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saw the film "sicko" by M.Moore. i understand he's not loved in the states, but i was disgusted when seeing how sick people are treated  i that 'land of the free'. maybe it was  exaggerated but then again!! in belgium we have national health care for ages and it's well functioning...yes we pay our taxes but we still have high incomes and living-standards!

i, for example, broke my ankle about 2 months ago. i just quit my job and was going to work another place when one evening i felt at home. i went to the hospital the next morning at 9 o'clock, X-rays were made and the doctor came and by 3 pm i was in the OR for the operation. i stayed 1 night in the hospital and had to stay at home for at least 8 weeks.i got 2 weeks payment from my former employer (that was left of my period of notice) and the following 6 weeks i receive a substitude-income. i don't loose anything!  and the hospital bill, aswell as the follow-up's wiith the surgeon, will be almost totally covered by health care. the remaining costs will be paid by my private insurance, no questions asked, as well as the costs for medication and physiotherapy. i'm glad to live in this county that takes good care for his people. and even refugees get this treatement! and we're free to think, speak and even shout our opinions here, no communisme in any way..this is how it should be...

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saw the film "sicko" by M.Moore. i understand he's not loved in the states, but i was disgusted when seeing how sick people are treated  i that 'land of the free'. maybe it was  exaggerated but then again!! in belgium we have national health care for ages and it's well functioning...yes we pay our taxes but we still have high incomes and living-standards!

i, for example, broke my ankle about 2 months ago. i just quit my job and was going to work another place when one evening i felt at home. i went to the hospital the next morning at 9 o'clock, X-rays were made and the doctor came and by 3 pm i was in the OR for the operation. i stayed 1 night in the hospital and had to stay at home for at least 8 weeks.i got 2 weeks payment from my former employer (that was left of my period of notice) and the following 6 weeks i receive a substitude-income. i don't loose anything!  and the hospital bill, aswell as the follow-up's wiith the surgeon, will be almost totally covered by health care. the remaining costs will be paid by my private insurance, no questions asked, as well as the costs for medication and physiotherapy. i'm glad to live in this county that takes good care for his people. and even refugees get this treatement! and we're free to think, speak and even shout our opinions here, no communisme in any way..this is how it should be...

He's not loved in the states because most of what he blathers is not true.  Please don't take any of his propaganda films as a true depiction of anything.  He will always find one over exaggerated side of an issue and make money off of it. Hmmmm.....who is being the hipocrit there?

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saw the film "sicko" by M.Moore. i understand he's not loved in the states, but i was disgusted when seeing how sick people are treated  i that 'land of the free'. maybe it was  exaggerated but then again!! in belgium we have national health care for ages and it's well functioning...yes we pay our taxes but we still have high incomes and living-standards!

i, for example, broke my ankle about 2 months ago. i just quit my job and was going to work another place when one evening i felt at home. i went to the hospital the next morning at 9 o'clock, X-rays were made and the doctor came and by 3 pm i was in the OR for the operation. i stayed 1 night in the hospital and had to stay at home for at least 8 weeks.i got 2 weeks payment from my former employer (that was left of my period of notice) and the following 6 weeks i receive a substitude-income. i don't loose anything!  and the hospital bill, aswell as the follow-up's wiith the surgeon, will be almost totally covered by health care. the remaining costs will be paid by my private insurance, no questions asked, as well as the costs for medication and physiotherapy. i'm glad to live in this county that takes good care for his people. and even refugees get this treatement! and we're free to think, speak and even shout our opinions here, no communisme in any way..this is how it should be...

MIchael Moore is mainly propaganda, he would benefit more if he used his money to help those people he 'helps' .

Sorry but if you believe anything that he says, then that says alot for how limited you really are.

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[quote name='Panth wrote:


barbara1']saw the film "sicko" by M.Moore. i understand he's not loved in the states, but i was disgusted when seeing how sick people are treated  i that 'land of the free'. maybe it was  exaggerated but then again!! in belgium we have national health care for ages and it's well functioning...yes we pay our taxes but we still have high incomes and living-standards!

i, for example, broke my ankle about 2 months ago. i just quit my job and was going to work another place when one evening i felt at home. i went to the hospital the next morning at 9 o'clock, X-rays were made and the doctor came and by 3 pm i was in the OR for the operation. i stayed 1 night in the hospital and had to stay at home for at least 8 weeks.i got 2 weeks payment from my former employer (that was left of my period of notice) and the following 6 weeks i receive a substitude-income. i don't loose anything!  and the hospital bill, aswell as the follow-up's wiith the surgeon, will be almost totally covered by health care. the remaining costs will be paid by my private insurance, no questions asked, as well as the costs for medication and physiotherapy. i'm glad to live in this county that takes good care for his people. and even refugees get this treatement! and we're free to think, speak and even shout our opinions here, no communisme in any way..this is how it should be...

MIchael Moore is mainly propaganda, he would benefit more if he used his money to help those people he 'helps' .

Sorry but if you believe anything that he says, then that says alot for how limited you really are.

 

 

hey how could i know what to believe? i'm on the other side of the world...eyes.gif i know people deny what he's saying but the truth may lie somewhere in the middle? fact is to us , foreigners, america doesn't  seem to be the land of oppertunaties it claims to be... too many people left in the cold...

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Bono helps another third world country, the US.

We're getting there slowly but surely.  The rich get richer and the poor get poorer and a lot of our population are becoming poor quickly.  Number of home foreclosures the likes we've never seen, unemployment at an all time high. 

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[quote name='surrenders wrote:


Sport_Monkey']Bono helps another third world country, the US.

We're getting there slowly but surely.  The rich get richer and the poor get poorer and a lot of our population are becoming poor quickly.  Number of home foreclosures the likes we've never seen, unemployment at an all time high. 

You really believe that?  Go to a real third world country and I think you will change your mind.  I'm talking South America...Africa. There people have no safety nets, you have no job..you die.  Here there are tons of social organizations to help people.  Folks may be poor, very poor...but there are food banks in every town.

People starving....that is third world.

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RedHill wrote:

You really believe that?  Go to a real third world country and I think you will change your mind.  I'm talking South America...Africa. There people have no safety nets, you have no job..you die.  Here there are tons of social organizations to help people.  Folks may be poor, very poor...but there are food banks in every town.

People starving....that is third world.

 

It looks like you have to do some travelling yourself too RedHill. In Brazil, for instance, you don´t die if you can´t afford to pay for health care. There is a public health system available. In this regard the US is worse than some of what you call third world countries.

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My only response to the first post would be, If you don't like government run programs... refuse Medicare/medicaid when you reach retirement age, don't drive on any streets or highways, when you buy groceries, add 20% to the bill to make up for all the ag subsidies, and don't use the internet, since the government invested the money to get it off the ground, as well as built the pipe it travels on. As far as the health care debate, the numbers are in favor of a public option in the area of 65% and up. Something like 70% of bankruptcies in the U.S. are the result of health care related issues. I don't understand how folks come to the conclusion of Marxism whenever the Government we elect freely tries to overcome a gigantic monopoly and lobbying force by regulating and offering an "option".

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RedHill wrote:

You really believe that?  Go to a real third world country and I think you will change your mind.  I'm talking South America...Africa. There people have no safety nets, you have no job..you die.  Here there are tons of social organizations to help people.  Folks may be poor, very poor...but there are food banks in every town.

People starving....that is third world.

 

It looks like you have to do some travelling yourself too RedHill. In Brazil, for instance, you don´t die if you can´t afford to pay for health care. There is a public health system available. In this regard the US is worse than some of what you call third world countries.

 

I agree....I certainly don't know the ways of the entire world. And I may have painted an entire continent in too negative a light.  However, I have been to a few countries in Central/South America and there is no comparison to the state of systems in the U.S.  And there are certainly better run systems than ours.  However, my point as exaggerated as it was is that the U.S. is nowhere near to becoming a third world country.  That is absurd.

And I must add, I never meant to disparage any place in South America or Africa, my poorly stated point was that if the folks think the poor have it bad here...try looking at poor folks in other countries that aren't as fortunate.

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These issues are simple but a pain in butt. We can solve this together. It will take a long time but I think it's doable...and our only choice. I don't think we need to talk about capitalism or marxism. Or any -ism. Like Barack Obama said, there are not two (or more) Americas. There's ONE. And it's the responsibility of those of us who call ourselves Americans to actually go out and DO things to make it better.

 

When Bono talks about the problems in the U.S., I think he's also talking about the problems in Ireland and everywhere else. Just about every country is having a horrible time right now. Unemployment. Financial collapse. The general realization that the world economy has been left in the hands of people with no ethical compass.

 

While I do love Mr. Hewson's work as a singer/songwriter/member of my favorite band, he does tend to sound pretty puffy when he gets going on an issue. Sometimes he actually knows what he's talking about. Other times - like all of us after that third drink - he can't tell his head from his...um...bottom. And I think the problem is partly that he's been too rich for too long and is extremely out of touch with some of the real issues facing most people in their everyday lives. He's got what I call "a case of the Oprahs." He forgets himself and communicates in a way that actually does damage to the issues. He doesn't do this all the time. Just sometimes. The NYT piece was an example of that.

 

On the other hand, when he's not acting like a complete tool, he really does a lot of good. He helps inspire people to imagine a world that's better than the one where we currently live, where we're all involved in the solutions to our problems and where fairness and respect are the codes of conduct.

 

When you're under 30, I think you forget sometimes that someday you will need more help (medical, emotional, financial) than maybe you need right now and - perhaps - someday you'll have a hard time providing it for yourself.

 

Me and most of my friends are part of that ancient over 34 demographic group and I can tell you that a lot us are witnessing real physical change in our parents. It really makes you think. Most of our parents were active all their lives, took pretty good care of themselves and sent us to college. They all paid into a system with the expectation that there would be medical care and social security for them when they got old enough to need assistance.

 

The irony is that while those insurance-industry paid stooges who attend town halls and pretend to be alarmed about "death councils" which don't exist, there is a sort of slow murder happening. When you can't pay for your medications and social security won't cover the most basic food and housing needs, what do you think happens? Someday, we will all be old and it's a near medical certainty that - no matter how religious you are with diet and exercise - you'll need a little more help than you need now.

 

And the idea of refusing government run services would leave you without many of the following services and "conveniences" which many of you may enjoy using including: roads, water, fire fighting and police services, public education, free H1N1 vaccinations (administered near me in Encino, CA just the other day).

 

Yup, if you like water then I'd say you're a supporter of government services. Personally, I'm willing to give the government kudos on this one. Thank you, City of Los Angeles, for making my shower go and my toilets flush today!

 

And, speaking of Oprah, the other day she did a show about Denmark, where everyone is happy and they pay 50% of their income in taxes but they get a whole bunch of services for those taxes. Healthcare. Childcare. Job retraining if their jobs get phased out. Education (that's grade school through college) plus a stipend while you study. If you can run the expenditure of taxes efficiently, then high taxes aren't always a bad thing. Besides, if you really add it all up (state, city, FICA and sales taxes that we pay) everyone in the U.S. is already paying 50% in taxes. You're just paying it out differently.

 

My only criticism of the Danes, is that they all were living in these hyper-modern Ikea-like structures and eating food that looked like a wet gym sock. I guess they can't do everything perfectly. ; )

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