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I do not appreciate Bono's comments in the New York Times

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Bono's editorial was interesting from this standpoint: previously, Obama ignored the Green Revolution in Iran, now he has cut funds to several US based, Iranian focused, pro-democracy groups. Obama doesn't want a regime change. Obama has also changed past policy on Burma and is negotiating with the junta. Keep in mind that last year, the junta allowed 150,000 of it's own people to die rather than accept aid from the West. So, how do you negotiate with people like that? What do you have that they'll want or accept and at what price? During the Texas shows, Bono thanked GWB for doing more to help Africa than any other US prez. Then this editorial came out. Do you think Bono is concerned about what he sees in Obama the president vs Obama the candidate?

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Wish they would just remove the moronic original post. Wow. What a piece of work.

 

Personally, I thank God that Obama won the election. He is doing a decent job given the train wreck that was handed to him after 8 years of economic chaos and blood shed in wars that were waged on lies. She says "In Christ," yet the hypocrite bears false witness with a lie that Obama has racked up more debt than all presidents combined. She either doesn't know her history or gets all of her talking points from FOX News. Darling, don't forget that George W. Bush was left a budget surplus by Clinton. It was Bush who has waged a trillion dollar war in Iraq that the next generation will have to pay for -- and for what?

In Christ.

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They should delete this thread because it iwll just garner more hate.

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They should delete this thread because it iwll just garner more hate.

 

 

That's all the Republicans have to offer anymore.

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"The rich get richer snd the sick stay poor." Where have I heard that before....

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I'm pretty sure that current polls found that most Americans not only favor health care reform but also favor the public option. Not sure why people keep calling it socialism. It's one choice among several. And, as someone pointed out, there are many other tax-supported government programs that most of us take advantage of without a second thought....Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, to name a few. I don't see any angry movements to abolish them. I think insurance companies and their lobbyists are scaring people with mis-information, which is really a shame. We should all look into the facts more carefully before just spewing off, which of course we have the right to do...it's just that it's usually not helpful

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[quote name='newsman wrote:


Panth']They should delete this thread because it iwll just garner more hate.

 

 

That's all the Republicans have to offer anymore.

 

Democrats seem to be garnering alot too. Don't throw stones, they get thrown back.

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I favor changing our current joke of a healthcare. That's what I favor. Something that's not Socialistic healthcare, or Obamacare, or the system we have now.

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I'm pretty sure that current polls found that most Americans not only favor health care reform but also favor the public option. Not sure why people keep calling it socialism. It's one choice among several. And, as someone pointed out, there are many other tax-supported government programs that most of us take advantage of without a second thought....Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, to name a few. I don't see any angry movements to abolish them. I think insurance companies and their lobbyists are scaring people with mis-information, which is really a shame. We should all look into the facts more carefully before just spewing off, which of course we have the right to do...it's just that it's usually not helpful
Amen to you!  I 100% agree with you!  Good for you for speaking out.

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You´re right. I should have checked my facts. It turns out he was born in Honolulu in America, but his dad was from Kenya. It just makes those people who say he´s not American look even more stupid.

Those birther people and tea baggers are kooks!  They are groups created by kooks!  They actually scare me.  I am afraid of their hatred and as I see it....racism. 

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*licks the prejudice in this thread.*mmmmm it's coming back *feeds off it. To gain its power*

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I favor changing our current joke of a healthcare. That's what I favor. Something that's not Socialistic healthcare, or Obamacare, or the system we have now.

why are you and soo many americans with you scared off  "socialisme", like it's a bad word! sounds like the brainwashing from some years ago still has consequences...

 

social=relating to society

to co-operate regulary with other members

 

social is not synonym for: anti-american, or anti-freedom 

 

in other parts of this world socialism is a well-accepted political stream and it doesn't mean communisme (the red danger...)

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The greatness of a country is measured by how it treats it's poor, it's weak and it's sick. Something to think about here when the discussion of whether a Government run health care system makes sense.

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[quote name='barbara1 wrote:


Panth']I favor changing our current joke of a healthcare. That's what I favor. Something that's not Socialistic healthcare, or Obamacare, or the system we have now.

why are you and soo many americans with you scared off  "socialisme", like it's a bad word! sounds like the brainwashing from some years ago still has consequences...

 

social=relating to society

           to co-operate regulary with other members

  

social is not synonym for: anti-american, or anti-freedom 

 

in other parts of this world socialism is a well-accepted political stream and it doesn't mean communisme (the red danger...)Wait! *rereads own thread* I don't see where I said I was scared of socialism anywhere.  Please get your facts straight before you come after me. 

 

Here, the dictionary definition:

soâ‹…cialâ‹…ism

 speaker.gif /ˈsoʊthinsp.pngʃəˌlɪzthinsp.pngəm/ dictionary_questionbutton_default.gif Show Spelled Pronunciation [soh-shuh-liz-uhthinsp.pngm] dictionary_questionbutton_default.gif Show IPA –noun
1. atheory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting ofthe ownership and control of the means of production and distribution,of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3. (inMarxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of asociety to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation ofcollectivist principles.

 

Enjoy.

 

Now, me, I'm not scared of socialism, I'm intelligent enough not to be, so please, let's not make judgement calls about others.

 

Oh wait! I forgot where I am! Sorry it's early.

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i just meant how you said: something that's not socialistic healthcare. As if any healthcare that's fair to all citizens could be bad?

for me communisme is like in 'no one having anything'

and socialism is like in 'people caring for another regardless his/her status'

btw;i've resumed the definition on socialism given in my 'Collins Cobuild dictionary/English Language'

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sorry if i sounded to personally attack you Panth, didn't mean to, really.

it's just that i saw this film yesterday 'the blue state,' about people wanted to leave america and go to live in canada, because the re-ellection of G.W. sort of comedy/drama.

and one person was goin' on about how all the criticism on Bush made his son a socialist/communist. and i thought not been able to criticise your government was a characteristic of the communist block?

didn't mean to take it out on you..

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Like I said. It's early. Some Americans use socialism as a way of mentioning some random great unknown evil or like its paradise without knowing the real definition.

 

I was using two extremes: people perception of solialised healthcare, and our awesome joke of a healthcare system.

 

Don't mind me, It's early, and I'm on coffee # 1. I'm not offended

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Also, I do think its too soon for the US to have Obamacare. Too many people are hanging on to the Red Scare/Cold War

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Yeah our healthcare system is such a "holocaust". Have you seen all those desperate people in towns across the U.S. literally "crawling" to the emergency room begging for healthcare only to be denied? What a tragedy. Have you seen all those people lying dead on the sidewalks inches away from the emergency room. I hear they were being held back by their collars by their insurance agents who wanted to refuse them care. Gee, what will we do next.

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Yeah our healthcare system is such a "holocaust". Have you seen all those desperate people in towns across the U.S. literally "crawling" to the emergency room begging for healthcare only to be denied? What a tragedy. Have you seen all those people lying dead on the sidewalks inches away from the emergency room. I hear they were being held back by their collars by their insurance agents who wanted to refuse them care. Gee, what will we do next.
No, but I have seen milliions of people unable to afford insurance. I have seen doctor's ordering needless tests because they are afraid to be sued. I have seen what they pay for malpractice insurance. I have seen the cost of pharmaceuticals, medical devices, diagnostic instrumentation, and healthcare consumables in this country. I have seen the lack of preventative medicine and education. I have seen the incredible inefficiencies and waste rampant in the US healthcare system.

  It is a tragedy.....

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Yeah our healthcare system is such a "holocaust". Have you seen all those desperate people in towns across the U.S. literally "crawling" to the emergency room begging for healthcare only to be denied? What a tragedy. Have you seen all those people lying dead on the sidewalks inches away from the emergency room. I hear they were being held back by their collars by their insurance agents who wanted to refuse them care. Gee, what will we do next.
  I agree because me and so many people in the US can't afford healthcare courtesy of the greedy (and working class hating) 

insurance companies who go out of their way to make sure we end up dead in the ditch because we weren't rich or lucky enough to get healthcare.

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[quote name='petermullen wrote:


Bob L']Yeah our healthcare system is such a "holocaust". Have you seen all those desperate people in towns across the U.S. literally "crawling" to the emergency room begging for healthcare only to be denied? What a tragedy. Have you seen all those people lying dead on the sidewalks inches away from the emergency room. I hear they were being held back by their collars by their insurance agents who wanted to refuse them care. Gee, what will we do next.

No, but I have seen milliions of people unable to afford insurance. I have seen doctor's ordering needless tests because they are afraid to be sued. I have seen what they pay for malpractice insurance. I have seen the cost of pharmaceuticals, medical devices, diagnostic instrumentation, and healthcare consumables in this country. I have seen the lack of preventative medicine and education. I have seen the incredible inefficiencies and waste rampant in the US healthcare system.

  It is a tragedy.....

 

Oh yeah, our super efficient and non wasteful government ought to be able to clear all that up no problem. Just like they're going to stop the Taliban by giving them money not to terrorize anyone anymore. Yup,  they're talking about giving the Taliban money to make them change their ways. That oughtta work....Sounds great! Nice to know we all work hard to give money to the enemy. Excellent.

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Paigecat....you will find in here very quickly, that if you disagree with Obama's policies...you are a lunatic. 

 

And you are not a lunatic, period. 

 

My two cents worth, how can the government run our health care system???  Just want I want to do, turn my health over to the government...we see how well they did with the bail outs and every other government run program!! 

 

I am not saying that health care changes are not in order, I just don't think the government should be in charge of it.....but that is a form of socialism for you.  Why not start with changing insurance and pharmaceutical companies??  Just a thought....but then many in our government don't have a brain to think with....

Why is it so hard to change the insurance companies and thepharmaceutical companies? They're private -- and they willfight tooth and nail to keep the government out of their money-makingbusinesses, no matter how much it costs them. And the lastanti-regulation administration was only too willing to help in that regard.

 

Plus, I've got some news for you: The government runs Medicare.

 

And all those seniors that Paige says are against the health care bill? Guess what. They have Medicare -- government-run health care. Lots of old people seem to like it. And lots of 'em don't know it's run by the government.

 

And Paige, why care about poor people who have no health care? I guess you don't know what it's like to work at a low-paying job with no health insurance and have a kid with a serious illness?

 

Or, be refused health insurance because of some pre-existing condition you had years and years ago?

 

Or, lose your job and your health insurance and find that you've got breast cancer -- and no way to get treatment?

 

Loads of people die every day in this country because they have no health care.

 

Paying for it is a matter of priorities. Do you want your money going to Afghanistan or Iraq? Or, do you want health care for all?

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