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1 minute ago, Manohlive said:

How anyone could loudly complain about From The Ground Up is beyond me.  That gift had to be a very expensive endeavour.

yet it happened. Just as there are people who are cool with this particular gift...

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1 hour ago, Max Tsukino said:

yet it happened. Just as there are people who are cool with this particular gift...

I'm cool with this gift too.  I really like my TJT vinyls.  If I am overdoing, please pardon me.  I'm trying to find a way to channel all the discontent into a positive response; nothing more.  I love U2 and this site.  I'm going to resubscribe whether the gift is this or that or if there is a tour or not.

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Now the Achtung Baby/pop era remixes are awesome.....

 

even better than the real thing perfecto Remix is fantabulous take me higher!

Takes me back to the uni indie disco back in the 90s that one 

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8 hours ago, joetracey1 said:

Can we open a poll of here to vote, maybe if one of The Moderators could do it?

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1 hour ago, bacadorina said:

a CD with an I+E concert or Joshua Tree 30 concert would have been a better idea. 

Pretty good idea. Also, the Band surely has plenty of video footage from Rattle and Hum tours ... why not a DVD or digital video download of these?

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43 minutes ago, Manohlive said:

It must be a bitch.  It's hard for me to still defend the band vs. Live Nation and I pay to do it.  I did NOT know they were unpaid positions until just now.  My respect, admiration and affection for the mods just increased exponentially.  I don't think anything we say now will affect the 2018 gift.  It could make a difference for the 2019 gift, and future presales.  I'm not trying to incite a figurative riot here.  I'm trying to figure out a concrete action all of us can agree upon and do so collectively.  At least we are doing something.  I'm not trying to take the helm of anything. We need to do something that does not cause problems yet gets across the discontent of Zootopia.

You and I are operating from the same place. We would just like to have things be as good as they used to be not all that long ago. I'm don't know why anyone would think more than that. I hope no one does.

 

32 minutes ago, SAYDEE said:

Well, contrary to popular opinion in this thread, I like the vinyl gift -_- although my "The Joshua Tree Singles Vinyl Collection" doesn't appear yet :rolleyes: 

The thing is I am legitimately happy for those who are happy with the gift. There are many who like vinyl - that's great! Can't those who don't want vinyl be equally happy too? That's all I'm asking...

 

20 minutes ago, Manohlive said:

I'm cool with this gift too.  I really like my THT vinyls.  If I am overdoing, please pardon me.  I'm trying to find a way to channel all the discontent into a positive response; nothing more.  I love U2 and this site.  I'm going to resubscribe whether the gift is this or that or if there is a tour or not.

The thing is I'll probably keep resubscribing too - I love the band. But, the frustration has been building for 3-4 years now. The service has declined over the years. I wish it would stop.

 

7 minutes ago, doctornickriviera said:

Now the Achtung Baby/pop era remixes are awesome.....

 

even better than the real thing perfecto Remix is fantabulous bake me higher!

Takes me back to the uni indie disco back in the 90s that one 

Now, I fully agree here - the remixes for the 90s era are really great. It's just that somebody somewhere in the U2 hierarchy thinks there is this endless appetite for remixes. I suspect that that opinion is not correct.

For example, I didn't get the last JT boxset because all it really had over the deluxe edition from a decade ago was a few remixes - I couldn't justify buying that whole set just for a few remixes. It also was lacking the DVD of the JT show from France. So, I was fully satisfied with the original deluxe edition. Now, those who wanted everything on vinyl were very well served by last year's set. So, I'm glad it was made. (I did get the 2CD version for the live show included - of course, I scratched my head why it wasn't the complete show, but such is the mystery of life...)

The thing is, if a CD version (or a CD-quality download) of this year's gift were available in addition to the vinyl, I would have no complaints at all. I think many feel exactly the same way.

Max mentioned something about permissions, and that may be why something like a JT live show from last year was never going to happen. This may be because they are eventually going to release a set commercially or it could be for royalty reasons or any number of things. It would just be nice to know.

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To clarify, is the $85 sub for the 3D mixes (love it btw) and the JT singles? Assuming so, but not specified. Asking for a pal who wants to be sure. 

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1 hour ago, Anam said:

To clarify, is the $85 sub for the 3D mixes (love it btw) and the JT singles? Assuming so, but not specified. Asking for a pal who wants to be sure. 

Yes, the $85 subscription is for both. 

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Just seems an odd choice to release something that you know at least some of (me included) your longtime fans already own.  release something that has never been released

before.

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Initially I was luke warm about this but I've grown more uncertain. A very brief search on eBay showed that these tracks are readily available and are not in the least bit rare.

Also what is it with U2 and remixes? There seems to be no input from the band, they just hand the track off to somebody who has a free hand. Why so many all the time? Apart from the U2 organization no one else seems keen on them and yet they keep on coming.

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It's not rare but it is a bit pricey, and from what I've seen in record shops and fairs very rare in good condition. There are HQ lossless rips doing the rounds, but speaking as a collector, I'd much rather a new copy of my own. The remixes themselves are excellent with unique vocal tracks and extra production compared to the edited releases on the singles. I'd agree with previous comments that some remixes fail to hit the mark, but there have, to be fair, been superb - and popular - remixes down the years. I'm very pleased with this I must say, and would be glad to join the queue if it was an RSD or Black Friday release. To have it land on the doorstep is cool as have most of the gifts, barring those bad businesses with the card-shaped metal keyring and the litho-wallpapery things. On a separate note CorkVegan, you'll know this I suppose, but Record Zone in Douglas has a great line on U2 vinyl. Costs me a fortune everytime I'm home! 

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1 hour ago, Anam said:

On a separate note CorkVegan, you'll know this I suppose, but Record Zone in Douglas has a great line on U2 vinyl. Costs me a fortune everytime I'm home! 

I'm based in the States these days Anam but I've transported my fair share of records across the Atlantic in carry on. I know the struggle. Still miss the days of flipping through the albums in Leeside music up on MacCurtain Street digging for treasure.

Love your username by the way. Wish I had thought if it.

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2 hours ago, CorkVegan said:

I'm based in the States these days Anam but I've transported my fair share of records across the Atlantic in carry on. I know the struggle. Still miss the days of flipping through the albums in Leeside music up on MacCurtain Street digging for treasure.

Love your username by the way. Wish I had thought if it.

Thanks buddy. I've had that handle years now. Catchier than the real name!

MacCurtain Street was a home from home. Can trace nearly all my early U2 vinyl to Leeside, and every cassette bootleg to the place upstairs on Bridge St, over what became Vibes & Scribes. Happier times. I got my U23D dance mixes down the back of Crowleys I think. It's ropey now though. 

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5 hours ago, Anam said:

It's not rare but it is a bit pricey, and from what I've seen in record shops and fairs very rare in good condition. There are HQ lossless rips doing the rounds, but speaking as a collector, I'd much rather a new copy of my own. The remixes themselves are excellent with unique vocal tracks and extra production compared to the edited releases on the singles. I'd agree with previous comments that some remixes fail to hit the mark, but there have, to be fair, been superb - and popular - remixes down the years. I'm very pleased with this I must say, and would be glad to join the queue if it was an RSD or Black Friday release. To have it land on the doorstep is cool as have most of the gifts, barring those bad businesses with the card-shaped metal keyring and the litho-wallpapery things. On a separate note CorkVegan, you'll know this I suppose, but Record Zone in Douglas has a great line on U2 vinyl. Costs me a fortune everytime I'm home! 

Not to belabor the point, IMHO, this would have been an ideal RSD/Black Friday release. I kind of wish it had been done that way.

The songs collected for this gift, in and of themselves, are completely fine. Are they my favorite ever? No, but not every annual gift is going to please every person. Also, someone high in the U2 hierarchy seems to think there is unlimited desire for remixes among the U2 fanbase - I really wish they would revisit this opinion because I suspect, if they actually canvassed our opinions, they would be shocked to discover that we collectively want remixes less than they think.

Still, my objections to this release, and I know there are others who feel the same way, would immediately vanish if we were given the option of having a factory-pressed silver CD (which costs MUCH less to produce and to mail than new vinyl) - or, failing that, a CD-quality/lossless download so that we could burn our own CD with a CD-quality file. If you like vinyl, that's great - I'm very happy the vinyl is available for such fans. BUT, the rest of us who don't want vinyl pay exactly the same dues here as everyone else. We are equally deserving to be given the opportunity to be pleased with the annual gift. Having mp3s as the only other option doesn't do the trick - they are not the digital equivalent of vinyl. The last two vinyl releases only had the option of mp3 downloads - I don't want this one to be the third.

I hope you enjoy the vinyl.

 

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Totally get that. I love the vinyl but one of the first things I'll do is get UHQ FLAC rips off the vinyl for the car. What I would say about the mp3s on u2.com is that they are proper 320kbps versions. I really struggle to determine any difference between 320 and 16-bit FLAC. But l'd always pick the lossless to be on the safe side. Hopefully u2.com will post the best available quality. 

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19 hours ago, mich40 said:

She still pops in every once in a while. She just has other things going on now. 

You should have replied

’i know a girl, a girl named baja, bajagirl, I know she wants more than a badger  , bajagirl’

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This is the frustration for me with the service...

" Ahead of physical delivery we’ll be offering all three tracks as digital downloads and we’ll email qualifying subscribers as they become available. "   This is on the announcement.  What does that mean?  How about you at least announce the gift and that day put up the link or send the link for the downloads.  Must we wait for everything?  Why not get the songs ready (from 30 years ago!) and then announce and send them the same day?

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2 hours ago, Anam said:

Totally get that. I love the vinyl but one of the first things I'll do is get UHQ FLAC rips off the vinyl for the car. What I would say about the mp3s on u2.com is that they are proper 320kbps versions. I really struggle to determine any difference between 320 and 16-bit FLAC. But l'd always pick the lossless to be on the safe side. Hopefully u2.com will post the best available quality. 

Unfortunately, I am one of those who hears the difference as clear as day between mp3s and WAV/FLAC/any-other-format-far-less-compressed-than-mp3s. I don't listen to music exclusively on portable devices with earbuds; I can't imagine ever wanting to.

Yours is a really good plan to listen to the vinyl-quality music in the car. I think more people ought to employ it - to be honest, I don't think people know that they can...

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I wont open it. I'll keep the cellophane on and it should increase in value quite rapidly......... That said, I have never sold any of my U2 collection.

 

It will be beautifully packaged, I'm sure, but of all the things they could have done, it's not to my taste.

The best remixes are the ones where it still sounds like an actual band; Lady With the Spinning Head and Electrical Storm spring to mind.

Many U2 'dance' mixes sound a bit cheesy to me.

I haven't listened to the Rattle&Hum mixes in many years, but I remember them with... indifference.

 

A Joshua Tree 2018 gig on DVD, CD or even vinyl would have been perfectly acceptable to me - the latter with a download of course.

The entire Rattle&Hum Denver (indoor, black and white) or Tempe (outdoor, colour) gigs on DVD, CD or vinyl would have been cracking too. 

The more I think about it, the complete Denver show in black and white would have been f***ing awesome (I haven't seen much of the indoor Joshua Tree).

 

Even an audio of the Rattle&Hum movie would have been acceptable - especially since it features the best ever versions of With Or Without You and Sunday Bloody Sunday.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 4/10/2018 at 5:01 PM, dmway said:

Well here is is:

http://www.u2.com/news/title/u2-3-d-dance-mixes

 

My disappointment in this offer is profound and multi-faceted - so much so I don't even want to expound on it right now...

I'm with you. I mean, I'll take it. I love vinyl. But I'm not gonna lie... after all the arguments that POP didn't get a proper celebration in 2017 because it wasn't "popular" this is kind of mindnumbing.

U2 once again blatantly ignoring anything that came between Achtung Baby and ATYCLB. Yes, I know they re-released the vinyl, but I would have expected something more from an album and tour that was a massive endeavor (and actually did quite well despite the FlopMart nonsense). I would imagine there are a lot of U2 fans who aren't quite as deep into the POP years and would be floored by some of what that experience was. I was 17 when that whole thing was happening. Just an insane and fun period.

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On 4/10/2018 at 6:13 PM, johnnyboy1 said:

There must have being more ideas going around the U2 office before they decided to choose the latest 2018 rattle and hum remix gift. Who wants remixes? Surely this is waste of effort manufacturing this? We've all heard these remixes before, so no big deal there?

some actual rarities always goes down a treat!!! But this gift could be the worst gift ever?

Duels has it beat.

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On 4/10/2018 at 11:54 PM, dmway said:

OK, I've had some time to decompress, but more has to be said...

I used to really look forward to the annual gift. I liked every single one ever released until "U2 Duals" (I know a lot of people here agree with that assessment - it was so roundly panned here that we actually got a response on-site about it). After "Duals", they came up with good gifts again, but now this is the third time in four years that they have released something mainly on vinyl, with only an mp3 option for those who have no interest whatsoever in vinyl. This is not good service. We all pay exactly the same dues - we ought to have the right to be equally satisfied with the gift (that we pay for).

Now, don't get me wrong - if you like vinyl and are happy with the vinyl, that's great and I'm genuinely happy for you. However, the rest of us are entitled to be happy as well. What was released for the 2015 and 2017 gifts (the early-career Dublin show and the JT singles) were good ideas; however, only releasing them in vinyl with a consolation mp3 as the only other option is just wrong. It is cheaper today to create factory-pressed silver CDs than vinyl - that's a fact. The music medium infrastructure today for CDs is what the infrastructure was for vinyl back in the early 80s and before. If the site doesn't want to produce both, why doesn't the option exist for us to get a CD-quality download so that we can make our own CDs? Lossless and WAV files can be easily and without cost be converted to mp3s. Everyone wins this way.

So, a few questions - why can't we choose the format of the music, if music is the gift in any given year? We really ought to be given the explicit choice. This would be very economical for the site as well. For example, the JT singles were made and posted to every paid-up U2.com member (well mostly, I know some are still waiting). Some people like vinyl; many don't - so why is everyone getting the same thing sent to them regardless? This is cost-ineffective in two ways - since vinyl cost more to produce than CDs, why would you send vinyl to those who would prefer CDs? Also, secondly, it costs more in postage to send vinyl than CDs - so, again, why would you pay the extra postage to send someone vinyl who would prefer CDs when it would be much cheaper to send these people CDs? The current practice defies basic common sense...

Another point - who exactly chooses what the gift is each year anyway? It's quite clear that we have no input whatsoever. There were a couple of threads here which collected people's thoughts on what would make a nice gift for 2018 - some were facetious, others were overly ambitious, but most were made sincerely - and the sincere ones were very good ideas. However, as we have just seen yet again for 2018, our opinions here did not make any substantive impact at all. I don't think anyone proposed/would have proposed what has been offered.

Now, there is something right about this gift - celebrating the 30th anniversary of Rattle and Hum was a good idea. However, this 2018 gift can't be the best possible idea to celebrate it. I may be wrong, but I sense that there is not an infinite appetite for remixes here. If I may be blunt, this appears to have been formulated to be relatively simple to create, not so much to be special to have.

So, a few humble suggestions for the present and the future:

If this gift is set in stone, could we please have downloads in suitable quality (lossless or WAV) so that we who prefer CDs can make our own CDs? (These higher-quality downloads can be converted to mp3s easily as well.)

In the future, could we please be part of the process of what the gift ends up being (both in the content and, in the case of music, the format)? This is a completely reasonable request. It would even save money both in manufacturing and in posting. I feel we have been led down the garden path a bit this year - it was at least implied, if not explicitly said, that our wishes for this year's gift would be listened to. If this in fact happened, I don't know how we can't be greatly confused by what ended up being offered.

Well, as I said already, I used to really look forward to these gifts; at first, the ideas were really good. However, in recent years, I don't think it is unfair to say they have been a bit underwhelming.

Please let us have more input into these (pre-paid) gifts...please...

 

I'm sorry you're bummed about the gift. I hear ya. I mean, I LOVE vinyl. I've been collecting it for a decade now so I'm cool with this being vinyl. Not really cool with the content etc. I'm like... Rattle And Hum? Really?!

That being said, I think you're spot on about the CD aspect. If they are going to do a music release and vinyl is a part of that and, knowing that not everyone wants or can play vinyl, therefore many will want an alternative, why not even go the extra step past mp3/lossless and actually PRESS a CD with the same packaging etc? I get it, this is a cool collector's item. But if you're just not into vinyl (regardless of whether or not you can play it) then an mp3 is not really a fair consolation in my estimation. I think if they want to please MORE people (they can't please them all), they should say "this year's gift is music, which do you prefer, CD or Vinyl" and that way those who want CD not only get something they can/prefer to play but they also get the collector's aspect of it too.

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On 4/11/2018 at 1:26 AM, joetracey1 said:

Very disappointed with this, which most fan who collected vinyl who already have, I wonder if we get Rattle and Hum 30th Anniversary Box Set In October this year

If they do a 30th Anniversary box set of Rattle and Hum (which I admit I'll buy just to have it) when they didn't do POP last year, I'll riot.

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I can't find the post now but whoever said that he/she would like to know how these things are chosen and who, ultimately, makes the final decision, I'm 100% on board with. 

Here's the thing. I love U2. I will probably always resubscribe - I've done it since the Elevation Tour (I think... is that when it started?). I am very well aware that U2 specifically is not necessarily to blame for the choice of material or the gift itself - that's LiveNation, most likely.

BUT

I used to work in a call center. I was employed by a big computer company. When I spoke to a customer on the phone, I wasn't Ender, I was that company. The point I'm trying to make here is U2 not making these decisions doesn't matter - it's their name on the site. And the fact that they are that uninvolved in this process doesn't help matters and actually makes things a bit worse, I wager. I don't blame them for the choice, but I do certainly blame them for their seeming lack of involvement in it. These are, after all, the folks who love them. the folks who are their most die-hards.

There's an episode of Frasier where he has a Halloween party where everyone is supposed to come dressed as their hero. And Frasier has developed a game around the evening where everyone is supposed to answer a series of questions as their hero - a psychological experiment. At one point, no one wants to play the game anymore, and Frasier says something to the tune of "well if we're not playing the game then we're just people standing around in random costumes - it's anarchy!" 

The reason we are here is because of the band. If the band isn't here, isn't involved, isn't a part of this process, then we're just a group of people who like U2 and, frankly, we can chat about that connection anywhere we want. We don't have to pay this place to do it. For the gift? Why? Most die-hard fans who would be willing to pay the annual fee already have these songs. For the tickets? Why? If you're a citicard member you can get more than you can as a U2 fan (and in my case, ticket prices were so high I'm actually not seeing them for the first time ever).

I'm not suggesting a rebellion against U2 or anything like that. We hold them to a certain standard. That's why we're here. It is on them to meet it. Not Live Nation. It's U2's name on the door.

I have a very, VERY small fan base. I have no idea what it's like to be huge like U2, and never will. But I talk to that fan base ALL the time. I HAVE to know what they want, what they are looking for, what they expect. I can't meet all the needs and expectations of even this small group. I get that. But I'm always, PERSONALLY, involved. And one way or another (I know this is easy to say NOW) I will find a way to always be. It's smart marketing and smart business sense. No, I'm not going to make a screamo album if even enough of my fan base requests it. It's not me. And they know that so they wouldn't ask it anyway. That's not what they would expect of me.

But within the boundaries of why they like me in the first place, hecks yeah I'm going to do everything I can to make sure they're satisfied.

U2, and LiveNation, can't please everyone in this membership community. I wouldn't expect them to. I don't think hardly anyone would. And while I don't agree that everyone is entitled to getting a gift they like (that's an unreasonable expectation in a group this disparate), I DO agree that we are entitled - by way of having paid the membership - to know more about how this relationship with LiveNation works, how the gifts are determined and, finally, settled on, and why the opinions of fans who are getting these gifts don't matter. I also do believe that smart work and research - working closely with the mods as a middle ground for instance - would allow U2 and LiveNation to have a real pulse on this community and be able to give them something they largely like. That doesn't take much work.

If nothing else - and by the way I'm in the pro-vinyl camp - I don't understand why, if they are going to release music as a gift, apart from releasing music we kind of already have, they don't give the option to deliver that music in more than one collectible format - ie: vinyl AND CD. 

I'm not a fan of coming to a party where the host never shows up.

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@Ender

Obviously, I like the way you think...and write. :) (I was the one asking how the gifts are decided and by whom, btw - but I'm sure there were others too.)

I know I probably annoyed some by writing in such an impassioned fashion about what I thought - I was sitting on many of those thoughts for several years now. The current state of affairs was the metaphorical "straw-that-broke-the-camel's-back" - problems don't get fixed unless grievances are aired in a timely fashion.

I would like it to be part of our account info page, i.e., a question is asked during the renewal process, "If the U2.com gift is music in any given year, in what format would you like it? A - vinyl, B - CD (or lossless/WAV download), or C - mp3?" It would save the site money too because to make and mail vinyl to everyone even when many don't want it is just wasting money - vinyl is expensive to make and to ship, much more so than CDs/downloads. I just don't know why this would be too difficult to execute.

You made great points - thank you for all of your posts.

 

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