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12 minutes ago, handsomebob said:

A DVD??? We are in 2020 guys! Have you heard about Blu-ray? UHD 4K Blu-ray?

This is ridiculous!

Yes, I have to concur - we should at a minimum have a BluRay option (I would have chosen that at once).

Now, I am quite happy (thrilled, in fact) with this gift in general; however, @handsomebob is right. In 2020, people mostly have BluRay players - today is not 15-20 years ago.

Well, at least we finally have the announcement.

 

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Christ above you can't please everyone can you!

I for one am very happy and appreciative with this gift!

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I don't have blu ray. I think this is a fantastic gift. Best subscription bonus ever

 

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13 hours ago, handsomebob said:

A DVD??? We are in 2020 guys! Have you heard about Blu-ray? UHD 4K Blu-ray?

This is ridiculous!

Totally agree with you The 75 minute tv show on sky in SD does do it justice. DVD is dead we need Blu Ray, just like the live in Paris Blu Ray. I’m extremely disappointed, I wish it was available for Blu Ray or 4K release. It’s 2020 they stopped making DVD players, 

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Have to concur here, underwhelming gift. We are 2 generations past dvds now. 

No doubt this is going to get a general release so will have to fork out for the bluray/4k version also. 

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4 minutes ago, conor kavanagh said:

Totally agree with you The 75 minute tv show on sky in SD does do it justice. DVD is dead we need Blu Ray, just like the live in Paris Blu Ray. I’m extremely disappointed, I wish it was available for Blu Ray or 4K release. It’s 2020 they stopped making DVD players, 

 

Will definitely be made available later in Blu Ray or 4k.

Otherwise I would have expected exclusive to the fan club being mentioned in the news release. 

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I am going to fork out for this gift. Just Incase there will be no Blu Ray release. And “Gloria”is on it, it’s as raw as “The Electric Co”The Charlie Chaplin intro, would look so amazing on 4K. Oh and “Lights Of Home” is just beautiful. 

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Excellent gift. At least a complete show will be released first for subscribers. I expect a later release in a better quality, but i must admit i'm really happy with this E+I souvenir. A no brainer.

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C´mon, we have the Live in Paris, and now, practically the same concert but in berlin? And also, in DVD? Really? 45$ for a DVD and a discount coupon? What happened with you guys? The other fan club gift was amazing, but this? i´m dissapointed

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I think this gift is wonderful.  I'm shocked they would release EI as a subscribers gift. I am very happy.  DVD versus BluRay-I don't care.  It'll be a good picture and it will have great sound.  I still don't have IE on BluRay because somethng always eats up my money before I can get around to buying it. .

If I focus on being unhappy with the font when the Sun rises with my name on it-I miss the silent brilliance of the moment. Perhaps they'll release EI for commerical release on bluray, it will be a North America show and many of us will have our hope to have a physical copy of both fulifilled.

Props to U2.  Fantastic gift.

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10 hours ago, lombard said:

C´mon, we have the Live in Paris, and now, practically the same concert but in berlin? And also, in DVD? Really? 45$ for a DVD and a discount coupon? What happened with you guys? The other fan club gift was amazing, but this? i´m dissapointed

 The same concert ? Are you nuts ? Only eight songs repeated and the Dirty day to Wild horses segment blows anything on the Paris show out of the water !! On a negative note though yes we will have to fork out for the higher quality general release version.

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I really hope they offer a digital download as well. I haven't had a DVD or BluRay (not that they offered it) hooked up in two years! 4K streaming is the standard now. This would be like if they had offered a cassette in 1999. Some people still had them but everyone had CDs by then. Come on, U2... step it up!

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[...] This film captures the entire e+i show [...]

I like it!! :)
And a DVD it's OK for me, because I haven't the Blu-ray player. 
Did I mention I like the picture in the home so much? :HMTMKMKM_Bono_02:
I am only a bit worried :unsure: because of this:
 

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[...] during February we will mail [...]

I've received the shipment notification mail of the previous gift but I don't receive newsletters from the site. :( I don't know why... any help, please? Thanks in advance. :)

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9 minutes ago, acrobat9 said:

step it up!

How?   They've given us vinyl, CD's, books, prints (whateveer the format), tshirts, remixes and more as gifts.  What else can they do? 

In addition, they put out the No Line CD and gave us the 360 tour.  We got SOI. They tried to give everyone/anyone a free download via Itunes and got trashed for being arrogant. We got the IE tour.  It was completely innovative and redefined modern indoor rock concerts..  We got TJT30.  Very shortly after that, we got SOE and the EI tour.  They just finished TJT 2019 tour, during which they released a new single.  We got a remix EP from that.

All of it in a ten year perod.

We pay for this website and beig in the fanclub and a discount coupon and a subscribers gift and presales and full acceess to their music/video catalogue and exclusive content and access to special events.. I do not understand why people are so upset and focused on one part of a much larger package.. It it's that awful-caviat emptor.  Look at the ingreidients before you put the product into your cart. Don't purchase it a second time if it leaves a bad taste in your mouth. This gift was just announced.  Everyone seems to want EI on disc yet the majorty of reactions to it being our gift are negative.  I do not understand.. 

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How good a gift this is or isn’t will really depend on if it gets a physical release to the general public or not. To renew it cost me around £30. If the show is only going to be released for subscribers or at the very least the physical format is released only for subscribers then I think it’s a good gift. However if they decide to release it publicly on Blu Ray at a cost of usually around £15 then someone who isn’t a subscriber will be getting a better format of the show for half the amount I paid. So as I said it all depends on how exclusive this is to us. 

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2 hours ago, Pete the chop said:

 The same concert ? Are you nuts ? Only eight songs repeated and the Dirty day to Wild horses segment blows anything on the Paris show out of the water !! On a negative note though yes we will have to fork out for the higher quality general release version.

  PLUS ACROBAT !!!!!!!!!!

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When I say that it is the same concert I mean that it is the same stage. 
Why not give as a gift something from The Joshua Tree Tour?
It was a fascinating show. 
We already have SOI in Paris, Innocence And Experience Live and now Experience And Innocence live
in Berlin, but nothing about the Joshua Tree Tour.
Of course I want the subscription gift, but I expected something different

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Longtime diehard U2 fan here, but last year was my first time subscribing — specifically for the 2CD subscriber gift. I loved it. And I was really looking forward to the full Live in Berlin concert — but honestly assumed it would be a "regular" DVD/Blu-Ray release. $50 just seems really steep for a DVD (DVD!), no matter how much I would love to own it. 

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3 hours ago, RSkanseTX said:

honestly assumed it would be a "regular" DVD/Blu-Ray release. $50 just seems really steep for a DVD (DVD!), no matter how much I would love to own it. 

I understand, and can sympathize with this reasoning.  The problem is that you didn't pay $50 for a DVD. You paid to be a member of this website/fanclub. The gift is only one part of a larger sum.  I don't understand people saying I didn't pay for this gift when they purchased something with multiple components.  U2 never says what any gift will or will not be until it is officially announced. This is what they've chosen to do this year.  It is what it is.  I can undertand being disappointed.  I can understand someone consdering if they want to keep subscribing.  I don't understand the constant barrage of attacks against the band, and this website, when things aren't as one would wish. It's the chance we take when we subscribe. One can join this website for free, still be a part of the live threads and so much more. That costs nothng yet it's expensive, and a lot of work, to maintain a website. . .

This gift is one day old and people are already deciding that they are going to have to buy the BluRay.  No you don't.  You'll have the DVD.  You want the BluRay.  There's a huge difference. It's also presuming this will be commercially released on BluRay.  From what I read, it's exclusive. There's been no indication of it being anything else. 

It's EI, from Europe, and it's the Berlin show.  I've read, numerous times, from many different sources, that this is one of the best U2 shows ever.  I don't understand why people can't enjoy it for what it is.  Thi is just how I see it..  We all possess the right to express our vews in these forums and threads..  It's part of our subscription. Your opinion has just as much validity as mine.  We wouldn't be a community if it did not. 

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I'm happy enough with this gift, but then again I loved the vinyl gifts too so I might just be behind the times.

The objections that other fans have for the DVD are quite reasonable and they have a solid case. I just hope that this show doesn't get released commercially because if so it devalues the specialness of this fanclub only item.

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16 hours ago, Dean Allison said:

How good a gift this is or isn’t will really depend on if it gets a physical release to the general public or not. To renew it cost me around £30. If the show is only going to be released for subscribers or at the very least the physical format is released only for subscribers then I think it’s a good gift. However if they decide to release it publicly on Blu Ray at a cost of usually around £15 then someone who isn’t a subscriber will be getting a better format of the show for half the amount I paid. So as I said it all depends on how exclusive this is to us. 

That's pretty much what I'm thinking, too. If it isn't commercially available (or if the one in the shops is no better than the one we're getting), then it's a great gift and I'm very happy with it. If they subsequently release a deluxe edition and I end up paying for two copies of the same show, I'll be quite peeved.

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I'm gonna go one further than the people mentioning Blu Ray and say...haven't the band heard of Netflix?

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15 hours ago, CorkVegan said:

I'm happy enough with this gift, but then again I loved the vinyl gifts too so I might just be behind the times.

The objections that other fans have for the DVD are quite reasonable and they have a solid case. I just hope that this show doesn't get released commercially because if so it devalues the specialness of this fanclub only item.

 

5 hours ago, Canadanne said:

That's pretty much what I'm thinking, too. If it isn't commercially available (or if the one in the shops is no better than the one we're getting), then it's a great gift and I'm very happy with it. If they subsequently release a deluxe edition and I end up paying for two copies of the same show, I'll be quite peeved.

Yes - thank both of you for fleshing out the reasons why others and I complained right out of the gate. Your observations are what we were getting at.

It would be very useful to know what the site means exactly by the word "limited" in the description of this gift. It is "limited" in the sense of "special and truly unique" (and if so, how is it special/unique specifically), or is it "limited" meaning time-limited, i.e., it is the 2020 gift and not beyond that?

Will this concert be getting a wider release? That would be good to know too. IMHO, this show will certainly be released commercially - there is no way (again, IMHO) that this DVD will be the only way this show will become available. If this were the only place to get the show, multiple formats would have to be offered.

Further questions: if a worst-case scenario plays out (i.e., the U2.com edition is identical to the general release regular edition), would we at least get it in our mailboxes before it goes on sale to the general public? If it ends up being identical to the general release, and the general release goes on-sale first before any of us receive the U2.com edition in our mailboxes, any complaints posted here would be richly earned and deserved.

Well, let's hope for the best. More information about this show, I think we can all agree, would be very nice to have as soon as possible.

 

Also, there were a few comments above that were not completely well-founded, and I'd like to address those further here.

I think everyone knows that it's not very fun to read people's complaints on message boards and forums. However, what really matters is whether any objection is valid. I've read a few complaints on the site over the years here that have made me laugh and/or roll my eyes; I've read other that were right on point and addressed a failing that was/is properly a failing.

While it is no fun to read trivial complaints, it is also important not to conflate the rational objections with the irrational ones. There are some who conflate complaints about the shortcomings of the site and/or fanclub in general (and there are legitimate ones) as if they were complaints about the band. That's complete nonsense. The band and the website/fanclub are separate entities. Complaining about LiveNation/Island Records/Interscope Records/Universal is not the same as complaining about the band.

Also, there are a lot of causes that are leading to the complaints that have developed over a long period of time - that also isn't being properly acknowledged sometimes. There are ways that the benefits of membership here have declined over time; unfortunately, this seems to have coincided with the time when Paul McGuinness departed the stage and LiveNation took over. The benefits of being a member here were chronicled by a few above - and those mentioned are benefits. However, for other acts' official webpages, most/almost all the benefits mentioned are completely free of charge; U2.com is one of the very few official band pages that still charges a fee every year. Many bands used to charge, but now no longer do. Yes, the ones that don't charge don't usually have a membership gift, but an overwhelming majority of sites that don't charge do offer pre-sale ticket access. I would hazard a guess that the two main reasons most of us (including myself) continue to renew here are: pre-sale ticket access during touring years and the annual gift. Some might ask, "How about the forum as a reason?" Well, that may be in your personal top two (it would be co-number 2 for me) - however, as I already mentioned, most official band forums are completely free to sign up for and use - even a section of this site is free. I mention this because other bands manage a fully-functioning fan forum without charging; thus, site-upkeep as one of the reasons to charge doesn't really hold water - how do the other sites do it, if membership fees are truly necessary? (I'll stop here and leave other issues for later.)

Also, I would argue that our devotion to the band is what feeds our complaints sometimes - we want a site that kicks ass like our band does. When it falls short, we have every right to say so - hell, we have literally paid for the right. Being paid members here shouldn't require us to be submissively obsequious when we have a legitimate issue.

Well, I don't really wish to go on here. I have already resubscribed - gladly, proudly. In broad brushstrokes, as I said earlier, I love this year's gift - however, it would just be nice to have answers to the questions we all raised above.

Thanks again to the mods who read all these complaints, legitimate and otherwise. Peace. ✌️

 

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