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4 hours ago, peterferris8 said:

I'm gonna go one further than the people mentioning Blu Ray and say...haven't the band heard of Netflix?

 

1 hour ago, dmway said:

Perhaps it will end up there later?

 

Could that be a good thing?  

I'm hoping this is for us and a North American show is for the BluRay.  We would have an exclusive.  We could buy the BluRay. People who don't have BluRay could still see the North American show on YouTube when it got uploaded. We'd all have the EI tour, on both continents, to relive.  Many other requests for the gift to be exlusive live content, copies of shows and such would be fulfilled.  

It's tough to read comments where people assume/presume the band does not care and are gonna screw subscribers. Truth is, none of us knows what they are going to do next. Part of why I think U2 are the best is that they suprise/revinvent how things are done aoccording to them and not everyone else.. Perhaps it's what is being done here.  Maybe fans' past comments/complaints have been heard.  It's possible that it took a while to get it all sorted out in a way that works for just about everyone..  

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1 hour ago, dmway said:

I think everyone knows that it's not very fun to read people's complaints on message boards and forums. However, what really matters is whether any objection is valid. I've read a few complaints on the site over the years here that have made me laugh and/or roll my eyes; I've read other that were right on point and addressed a failing that was/is properly a failing.

While it is no fun to read trivial complaints, it is also important not to conflate the rational objections with the irrational ones. There are some who conflate complaints about the shortcomings of the site and/or fanclub in general (and there are legitimate ones) as if they were complaints about the band. That's complete nonsense. The band and the website/fanclub are separate entities. Complaining about LiveNation/Island Records/Interscope Records/Universal is not the same as complaining about the band.

I bitched about You're The Best Thing and GOYOW on this webste. I think it was the day after SOE was released.  I even criticized some lyrics. (mortifying)  Those are now two of my favorites on SOE.  I whined about the Apollo show being on subscriber radio.  Both instances make me roll my eyes and laugh at how petty I was being. 

Personally, I agree with pretty much everything you say on this website. In this instance,  BluRay would be great for the sound/video quality.  DVD and BluRay would be better for people who do not have BluRay.  I notice when people differntiate between Live Nation and the band/fanclub. My own personal objection is when people just trash the band.  It really irritates me. I need to let it go. We seem to subscribe for different reasons.  I'm glad you wrote what you did, dmway.  Checks and balances is a good thing.  

2 hours ago, dmway said:

It would be very useful to know what the site means exactly by the word "limited" in the description of this gift. It is "limited" in the sense of "special and truly unique" (and if so, how is it special/unique specifically), or is it "limited" meaning time-limited, i.e., it is the 2020 gift and not beyond that?

It is quite confusing..

We all come at this from our own perspective. We're gonna butt heads from time to time. That does not mean one person's opinion is or is not valid.  We're all human beings and have a right to be heard. 

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I'll be honest, my first reaction when the gift was announced was "that's pretty damn cool", but my second reaction was one of mild disappointment that it was DVD rather than Blu-Ray or a HD digital copy or something. 

I don't mean that to sound ungrateful or entitled, but I think a few of the other posts have summed things up quite well and initially it just seems like its a case of so near and yet so far again.

@dmway post sums up the wider issues very well - there's a bit of a historic thing going on here and also where the current model sits alongside other similar fan sites. I suspect that most people are happy to pay for a subscription here due to the chance of priority tickets - something which other bands seem to now offer at no charge.

Its still a cool gift though 😃 

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  Nah....That's still bad...I wouldn't pay for Netflix Just To See U2... .. And I will take this OPPORTUNITY to say I am content with the Gift....... Come On , Acrobat !!!!!!!

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I'm also happy with the gift . 

Of course a Blu-Ray version would be better but it's still nicer than the vinyls of a couple of years ago ,

I just gave those away to a friend since I don't have a turntable.

 

And a sometimes overlooked member benefit : the webmail account .

Most people don't need it but I find it useful to unlock my hotmail account when traveling since I don't have a smartphone

 

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If this does get a commercial release, presumably on BluRay, it won't say "U2COM15" on it.  I guess it's my obsessive-compulsive nature, but this alone makes it different enough for me.  As long as they continue to provide a subscriber gift I will continue to subscribe and not worry about what it is.  I love all of them, including the vinyl that sits on my shelf never played.  I have U2COM1 through U2COM14, so no stopping now :).

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Brilliant can't wait to get this package, hope it'll be the same format book like the CD edition last year.  Don't really care if it's DVD, bluray or VHS ... it'll be great. Wooohoooo:Bananaphisto:            

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I'm happy that this show is being released, but I think it's a tremendous step down to have to go from the TV broadcast version being in high definition to a standard definition disc - especially when every U2 live video release since 2009 has had a Blu-ray high definition option.  I understand and respect that not every subscriber has Blu-ray, but it's been industry standard for some time to include both a Blu-ray disc and DVD in the same package - it only bumps up the manufacturing cost about 50 cents to do so.  U2.com has had no problem with sending out gifts in formats that not all subscribers have; I doubt everyone has a record player, but they send out vinyl.  This is a baffling decision.

Unless, of course, the band is separately planning on releasing a Blu-ray version for sale to the general public.  Which would be frustrating in its own right, because then I'd essentially have to pay for it twice.

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Brilliant show! 

Looks like the talented entrepreneur  Jordon Hewson in clips. She is awesome x

Our love for this planet will win. To be sure :)

(that’s Aussie for we love you too)

 

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The Screen was 4K

The show was filmed in 4K

Then broadcasted partially in 4K

Then released in 480p to the fan club only?

This downgrade is an insult to the creative team that filmed and produced the show.

I’m sorry, but I struggle to believe all this Producing this show was way more expensive, and only Live Nation getting the subscribers’s money?

I’m pretty sure they’ll have to release a complete 4K show somehow. I’ll be waiting for that. 
 

If U2.com changes their minds about this, I’m happy to resubscribe, but with no pre-sales in the near future, I’m not gonna waste my money this year. I’ll get it on eBay or something.

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I'm also disappointed that it's a dvd only option.   I've gotten to use to watching content in HD over the last 15 years.   It's hard going back and watching SD content on a nice TV.  Streaming/Bluray's it's all HD now.   It's almost like when I was a kid and having a rough time watching things that were B&W. 

I'm not going to shell out for a DVD, but if they add a bluray option I'd be all over it.

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I have read all of the comments on this thread and understand everyone's point of view on this. I tend to agree with Manohlive that a lot of the negative comments are because of issues with the service we have received over the last few years, in terms of delays on gifts, problems with ticket bookings etc etc

For me personally, would I have preferred BluRay - of course, however for me the important thing is that whatever the gift it is exclusive to the Fan Club - and not just essentially a presale of something that goes on general sale later.

 

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One more flag for the Blu-ray! It makes absolutely no sense to make this available in DVD when we subscribers are actually interested in content. The only reason I can think of for somebody to be happy with whatever the format/quality as long as it is and exclusive release is to make a profit by reselling it, which certainly is not the spirit of membership.

The video (and audio!) quality of a DVD release is definitely inferior to the one in Blu-ray or even streaming, and anyone who's been watching audiovisual media in the past 10 years can definitely notice that. As a subscriber, I'm here because of the exceptional content (and pre-sales ;) ), so its quality is extremely important.

 

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1 hour ago, RangerOne said:

One more flag for the Blu-ray! It makes absolutely no sense to make this available in DVD when we subscribers are actually interested in content. The only reason I can think of for somebody to be happy with whatever the format/quality as long as it is and exclusive release is to make a profit by reselling it, which certainly is not the spirit of membership.

The video (and audio!) quality of a DVD release is definitely inferior to the one in Blu-ray or even streaming, and anyone who's been watching audiovisual media in the past 10 years can definitely notice that. As a subscriber, I'm here because of the exceptional content (and pre-sales ;) ), so its quality is extremely important.

 

The reason I want it to be exclusive is so that I’m getting some sort of value for money. At £30 for a limited release it’s easier to stomach than if it then gets released for £15 in blu Ray commercially meaning I will have paid more for less quality. It’s principle as much as anything.  Whilst blu Ray would be better I can accept dvd in the exclusive circumstances after all it was good enough for zoo tv, Popmart, elevation and vertigo tour to only be released as DVD’s and I enjoy all of them. 

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1 hour ago, RangerOne said:

One more flag for the Blu-ray! It makes absolutely no sense to make this available in DVD when we subscribers are actually interested in content. The only reason I can think of for somebody to be happy with whatever the format/quality as long as it is and exclusive release is to make a profit by reselling it, which certainly is not the spirit of membership.

The video (and audio!) quality of a DVD release is definitely inferior to the one in Blu-ray or even streaming, and anyone who's been watching audiovisual media in the past 10 years can definitely notice that. As a subscriber, I'm here because of the exceptional content (and pre-sales ;) ), so its quality is extremely important.

 

Don't think you can generalise like that.  I'm happy with whatever the format is because I am not overly fussed about slightly better quality (it's a personal thing); but I won't be selling my copy (I will be keeping it and playing it). 

Perhaps DVD was selected as a media because it is readily playable format across different devices old n new?  As not everyone has access to the latest hardware that could play Bluray?  So it's fairer for everyone.

I too hope/ agree that a different version is not made available commercially like 'From the Sky Down' (box set v's commercial release of movie) or the available nowhere else U2 map being given away free during RSD. 

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20 hours ago, pain_18_ said:

  Nah....That's still bad...I wouldn't pay for Netflix Just To See U2... [...]

Me too!! :rolleyes:
 

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[...] And I will take this OPPORTUNITY to say I am content with the Gift....... Come On , Acrobat !!!!!!!

I agree. :)
And Zoo Station, The Fly, Stay (Faraway, So Close!) and Wild Horses...

:ei_Be_Gentle_With_Me:

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On 1/24/2020 at 10:00 AM, U2Community said:

Announcing our 2020 subscription offer. The complete show on limited edition DVD.

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2 hours ago, joshthetree said:

Don't think you can generalise like that.  I'm happy with whatever the format is because I am not overly fussed about slightly better quality (it's a personal thing); but I won't be selling my copy (I will be keeping it and playing it). 

Perhaps DVD was selected as a media because it is readily playable format across different devices old n new?  As not everyone has access to the latest hardware that could play Bluray?  So it's fairer for everyone.

I too hope/ agree that a different version is not made available commercially like 'From the Sky Down' (box set v's commercial release of movie) or the available nowhere else U2 map being given away free during RSD. 

Bluray has been around for 14ish years.   To the point it's now last generation video tech, and UHD bluray is the new tech.   I think many people that still use optical media have bluray players.  Standalones or built into gaming consoles.    It's like saying it should be on vhs because people haven't bought dvd players yet.   It seems unfair to offer inferior quality so the handful of people on old tech can play the disc.

That being said, it doesn't seem difficult to appease fans.   Like a previous poster said they could include both a dvd and a bluray in the set.  Alternately, they could make both available, and you choose when buying your membership.

I don't really put on DVD's anymore.  Definitely a deal breaker for me.

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Seriously, this has to be a mistake. The first half of the show hasn’t been available at all because it wasn’t on the TV broadcast. The whole show was filmed in 4K. Are they really going to release only a DVD (480p) version of it all?

I just refuse to believe that.

I do think that at some point the whole show will be commercially available in 4K. Maybe jus a digital only release... but I can’t believe it won’t ever be released in 4K.

If they are clever they’ll do a physical 2-disc release with one DVD and one BluRay 4k for fanclub only. And a 4K digital only release commercially.

Either way, I’m going to hold on to my money till a 4K is available somehow.

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Interestingly, I first did not realize it was a DVD. On the back of my mind, I was thinking Blu-ray. Well, that isn't very reassuring. We are in 2020 and DVD is outdated by more than a decade. No wonder the DVD did not register on my mind. 🤣
I think this is another ploy for U2 grab money from fans when the Blu-ray package hits the general public sales and maximizes profits giving this subscription gift.
I love U2, but I do sometimes think they are too greedy. This is another example of that. 

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5 hours ago, OptimaX said:

Seriously, this has to be a mistake. The first half of the show hasn’t been available at all because it wasn’t on the TV broadcast. The whole show was filmed in 4K. Are they really going to release only a DVD (480p) version of it all?

I just refuse to believe that.

I do think that at some point the whole show will be commercially available in 4K. Maybe jus a digital only release... but I can’t believe it won’t ever be released in 4K.

If they are clever they’ll do a physical 2-disc release with one DVD and one BluRay 4k for fanclub only. And a 4K digital only release commercially.

Either way, I’m going to hold on to my money till a 4K is available somehow.

I totally agree. A DVD makes no sense. I would suggest even a Blu Ray copy would be antiquated. While it is nice to have the physical copy for the graphics and photos, a high res version can easily be provided so that it may be viewed on televisions, iPads, or phones. As it stands, unless I want to pull out a DVD player, I won’t be able to watch this concert. Actually I would much rather have a high quality audio of the show so that I can listen to music on my phone, in my car, or home stereo. 

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At this point we can only hope it's a mistake and it comes with Blu-ray BUT I doubt. Usually they are pretty good on the description. I don'r remember they ever making suck mistake. 

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On 1/24/2020 at 7:24 PM, dmway said:

Yes, I have to concur - we should at a minimum have a BluRay option (I would have chosen that at once).

Now, I am quite happy (thrilled, in fact) with this gift in general; however, @handsomebob is right. In 2020, people mostly have BluRay players - today is not 15-20 years ago.

Well, at least we finally have the announcement.

 

I can barely write an email ...yes, that tech savvy. DVD works. 😎 

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15 minutes ago, economicformula said:

I can barely write an email ...yes, that tech savvy. DVD works. 😎 

😄

...and I’m happy for those who are ok with a DVD. Shouldn’t those who would have preferred a BluRay (or beyond) have had the opportunity to be equally satisfied? We all pay the same dues. That was my point.

Heck, I would have paid a few extra dollars at the time of renewal to get the BluRay. Well, I’m still an optimist and hope this can be sorted out somehow. We’ll just have to see.

 

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