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    The market for concert tickets has always fascinated me as a microcosm of the supply and demand economy. Plus, as an avid music and sports fan, I wanted to understand how this economy worked, in order to optimize the opportunity to get the best seats possible without paying too high a premium. Given all the hand wringing over the E+I tour tickets, I thought I would share a few misc. ramblings on the topic here... For many decades, many top artists undervalued tickets to their own shows. Whether you think the price set is "fair" or not, in the abstract, doesn't change the fact that that artists were leaving money on the table. If they sold a $30 seat, and it got resold for $150, then the true value of that ticket was paid to someone other than the artist. Someone else profited off their "art." Whenever there was an disparity in the "face" ticket value and its true value, a market would spring up to profit of off the difference. Back in the old days, when was young, "scalpers" used to pay people to drive to different, out of the way Ticketmaster locations far from the venue where the show was to be played, and buy as many tickets as they could. Now, there is two ways to look at this. Some artists make a conscious decision to leave value on the table because they believe many of their core fans can't afford to pay the "true value," or shouldn't have to stretch and pay the "true value" from a scalper. This is the Pearl Jam approach. Verified fan club members pick up their tickets on site at the venue, and there is no resale on the best seats, which go to the fan club members. Just as important, the band handles tours itself, rather than signing with an outside vendor like Live Nation. The other way to look at it, is to funnel the actual "true value" of the ticket to the artist. The basic principle is to beat the "scalpers" at their own game. In other words, price the tickets from the outset at their "true value." This is essentially what Live Nation (I specifically say "Live Nation" and not the band. Discussed below further...) has attempted to do here. The tour management companies for other big acts, like the Rolling Stones, have done this unapologetically for years. The risk in such an approach is attempting to guess what the actual "true value" is, before the tickets have actually gone on sale. In the free market, with "scalped" tickets freely available, that equilibrium occurs naturally. But here Live Nation had to guess. It ultimately decided that the ticket prices we have all seen for the E+I tour represent what the market will readily bear. I think it is learning that their estimation may have been... a tad off.... Take a quick look at tickets in various markets, and especially in markets where a second show was added. I'll take Chicago, since that is one I bought tickets for. Make sure you eliminate the "certified resale" tickets, and limit it to "regular" tickets. Plenty of good seats still available for night one. I'm almost embarrassed for the band on night two. It looks like half the venue is still for sale, and NOT through the second hand market. Something has got to give there, and I doubt it will be a cancelled show. I predict it will be reduced tickets to increase attendance. To save face, Ticketmaster may switch them over to the "verified resale" section so it looks like someone else already paid face value and took the loss, but one way or another, U2 can't afford to play to a half full venue. If you are going to Chicago 2, there is no incentive to buy a ticket right now. Wait until they go down, and snag it later. It won't sell out either way. My next point relates to how little control the band likely has over ticket prices. I'm going to make some assumptions here, because I obviously don't have the Live Nation/U2 contract available to me, but I think I am right... My understanding is that before U2 360 the band signed a 10+ year contract with Live Nation. My belief is that Live Nation guarantees a set amount of money to the band per show. In exchange, Live Nation handles logistics, booking venues, and setting ticket prices. Any profit above the guaranteed amount plus expenses goes to Live Nation. And as you all know, putting on a U2 show isn't cheap. One thing I've always admired about the band is that it tries to reach the top row in the back of the arena just as much as the front row. (I wrote a review here of the U2 360 show titled "No One Else Tries This Hard.") But of course, U2's set pieces cost an exorbitant amount of money. And the contract requires the band to perform a certain number of shows over the lifetime of the contract, be it in arenas or stadiums. (I'm convinced contractual obligations had at least something to do with the Joshua Tree tour, as Songs of Experience was delayed so long, but that is another topic for another day.) There obviously is pressure for the band to deliver on Live Nation's behalf. I believe that has translated into certain songs (i.e. "hits") in the U2 catalog never leaving the setlist, but again, that is a topic for another time and place... But the point is, I don't believe the band has any control over ticket prices. Here are a few things to consider about the secondary market... First, I hear people complain all the time about "tickets being on sale on 'X' web site before even the pre-sales." Here is the truth: they don't actually have those tickets yet. There are people that essentially sell ticket "futures." Once the get an order for a ticket, they then attempt to go on the secondary market themselves and buy a comparable ticket to the one they sold to fulfill the order. They make money off the difference. I bet there are some here you have bought tickets on such sites only to get the "we cannot fulfill your order" email. Another thing to keep in mind is that because a ticket is advertised on a secondary market for a set price, does not mean in any way that it will sell for that amount. There also needs to be a distinction between a professional resale site, and the guy who puts $2,500 worth of tickets on his credit card and thinks he is going to get rich. When the credit card bill comes due 30 days later, and he can't pay the bill, dumping the tickets fast becomes a bigger incentive than paying 18% interest on a credit card. (Check Craigslist about 30 days after the general on sale date. Deals to be had...) Professional resale sites, on the other hand, make money by dealing in volume. And to sights such as Stub Hub, the actual price that the ticket changes hand for is somewhat irrelevant to them. The reason is that they make money off the transaction itself. Much of the transaction fees are the same regardless of the ticket price. I hope that helps put into perspective what I think we are witnessing: U2 fans being used as guinea pigs in Live Nation's experiment to try to beat the scalpers at their own game and sell, from the start, tickets at their full market value. But music is like sports; much emotion and feeling, less practical sense. Spending $300 or $1000 on concert or sporting event is a decision made with the heart, not the head or wallet. But ultimately, music is art, is it not? And I would argue that taking the Pearl Jam approach and leaving money on the table, handling their own tours, and hitting the road with a low key set, which allows keeping the focus on the music and varying wildly the set lists, has created a fiercely loyal fan base that has compensated the band very very well. Further, that fan base will continue to do so for many years to come. I hope U2's deal with LIve Nation hasn't damaged its relationship with its own base... At some point, the market will only bear what it will bear... All the best.
  2. 1 point
    Somehow I scored 2 GA for SJ2. I'm feeling extremely grateful! I hope everyone is able to get the tickets they're hoping for. Good luck, guys!?
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    41, 753 - I'm doing the double bill too And going in costume. First time I've ever managed to get to a midnight screening so I'm going to make the most of it
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    I feel like I've won the California Lotto. I just scored 2 GAFLR tickets to SJ2. I'm still in disbelief!
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    This album is a "gift" and what a great present to open before Christmas. Fitting that "gift" is also the name of the poem that Bono quotes before the performance of Get Out Of Your Own Way in Trafalgar Square. I looked this one up, it's by a Polish poet and it's beautiful. http://www.u2.com/news/title/in-london-for-the-mtvemas Gift A day so happy. Fog lifted early, I worked in the garden. Hummingbirds were stopping over honeysuckle flowers. There was no thing on earth I wanted to possess. I knew no one worth my envying him. Whatever evil I had suffered, I forgot. To think that once I was the same man did not embarrass me. In my body I felt no pain. When straightening up, I saw the blue sea and sails. Czesław Miłosz
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    My kids too. 10 and 6 year old both sing "when the lights go out, its time to go to bed, silent reading's over now". Classic.
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    SOE is simply amazing. The very beginning is a pure gem: love is all we have left gives you an incredible emotion and represents the take off of a fantastic journey. The album mix personal emotion, love for family, fear of death, hope for the future with a solid political stand in favour of solidarity and shelter. In my opinion the best U2 work of this century so far
  8. 1 point
    I am obsessed with this album. So many incredible songs that get better and better the more you listen to them. The Little Things is rapidly becoming one of my favorite U2 songs ever - just phenomenal.
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    Amidst all the backlash of ticket debacles regarding pricing and availability I just want to say thanks for the free CD’s you are giving away for each ticket sold. A nice gesture indeed. I am a GA guy, not hardcore but I prefer to be in that mix., With long term fan club status I was able to get 2 GA for “A” show. Would I like to go to more than 1 show ? Yes absolutely, was I able to get the affordable GA ticket for other shows via general sales ? ... No. could I have paid a very high face value price to see more shows ? ... yes. Did I pull that trigger ? ... No.... anyways, thanks for the the cd’s. I look forward to hearing the new songs. I get that this is a business and that due to the industry trend the money to be made for the Artist is made mostly from the concert machine but with the way prices are going I can’t afford to hang with you as much as I would like to. Looking forward to sitting and vibing the new record. Thoughts ? Thanks, hicksong : a fan not made of money
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    I was always hoping that U2 would invite Simple Minds to be their opening act on a tour. Imagine that. Imagine Jim Kerr sharing vocals with Bono on "Alive and Kicking" (which I remember thinking was a new U2 song when it came out).
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    Red flag day has one of my favorite parts of the whole album and reminds me a bit of Sunday bloody Sunday......"there's one word that the sea can't say, is no, nooo, noooooo" . That is epic.
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    I had 2 Vegas GA in my cart finally at 10:20am and when I went to the payment page it said my session has timed out. The top of the page had said I had 2:50 left so it didn’t time out, maybe a bad glitch? So frustrating. I had AXS and Flashseats logged in and ready, so no reason this should have happened.
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    I do, yardie. I saw the video and still have goosebumps just typing this and thinking about it. Oh my gosh, was I excited. They sounded different. They looked different. That guitar and the rhythm and then Bono.... WOW.
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    seems consensus is if you missing d/load / cd of this, hit up the CS on http://www.u2.com/help and they will sort
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    Also, I agree with someone who wrote that U2 should dispense with the big hits on this tour, and just play newer material from this decade, along with tracks from the past that "fit in", including album cuts that were not radio hits. That's the kind of show I want to see next from U2, after being treated to the JT tour this year. It will be difficult to play 22 songs with this approach, but I hope they give it a go, and do not try to accommodate the casual listener who wants to hear "One" and "With or Without You", which for us would be for the billionth time, and no longer special.
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    Razspazz i agree with you, this album makes you stop whatever you are doing and listen. The lyrics and emotions that come through on this album are strong and powerful. There is real heart and soul in this record.
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    Listening to it all day at work today in Australia and have to say I’m loving it. Really solid album with Love is bigger than anything in its way the pick of the bunch! Very happy.
  19. 1 point
    And thank you lord for "The Little Things That Give You Away" and "Love Is Bigger Than Anything In Its Way!"
  20. 1 point
    To Whomever Managed the Presale, I've loved this band for years. My first chance to see them was twice on the U2360 tour. What a show! Even though I had to wait 2 years, it was worth it! I recently purchased the subscription, mostly because it was being sold as a way for people to gain access to early tickets. Yeah, the other offerings are nice, and I'm sure I'll enjoy the vinyl, but really it was about having the peace of mind to access tickets early and make sure I didn't get sold out. The first time I tried to access the site (iNNOCENCE group) was Friday evening after work. I'm looking for tickets in Vancouver. Unfortunately I received a message that there were no tickets available for that show. Weird, I thought. I browsed through the U2.com forums and found a lot of people having similar experiences but then more tickets would pop up some time later. So, I waited. On Saturday morning I logged back in, and was able to access the tickets page for either show. So, I chose which seats I wanted and punched in my code. And nothing happened. The site continued to say 'searching for tickets' for over two hours. I tried to work with the site on multiple platforms and continued to have the same issue. Eventually, time expired on the presale and nothing had changed. I then called TicketMaster customer service to see if they could help me. They informed me that since the presale had closed there was nothing they could do and that TicketMaster itself was NOT to blame for the issues I had experienced, rather the "fan club" was the problem. Now, I'm pretty sure that Ticketmaster was trying to give me the run around, though the one representative I spoke with seemed mildly helpful. However, I am VERY DISAPPOINTED in those that managed the presale on behalf of the band. First, I feel that the presale should be a way for U2's fans to have a pleasurable experience buying tickets, knowing that they will not have all the tickets swept out from under them in a moments' notice. The presale should be over a period of a few days (it was) so that at any moment a subscriber can log on and purchase tickets at their leisure. Sure, if someone desperately wants front row seats, they may want to enter at the very beginning. For me, though, I would have been satisfied with just about ANY tickets I could get my hands on, just to have the satisfaction that I was FOR SURE going. I also wanted to attend both nights in Vancouver with a friend of mine. None of the aforementioned aspects of purchasing tickets should be an issue. The experience was not a pleasant one though. As you can see going through all of the forums a lot of people had problems with the site and accessing tickets. Some of it, I'm sure, was ticketmaster's fault. But I also believe that tickets were being released in stages (by those organizing the presale) so as to avoid re-sellers. Well mission UNaccomplished. Not only was I and so many others unable to access tickets multiple times, I ended up with no tickets at all and now the hope that the Ticketmaster site works well enough when the tickets go on sale to the public that I will still be able to get some. Given the experience that many had purchasing their pre-sale tickets, I'm doubtful that the general sale will go much better. So I'm asking, 1. Why the hassle in purchasing tickets??? Some people said that it was to avoid re-sellers. Well, if that was the case it didn't work. A quick look at StubHub (only StubHub, not any other sites) reveals that there are hundreds of tickets available for every American show on the tour (Boston has 999 tickets available for one show...that's a lot of subscriptions gone wrong). There has to be a better way to manage whether someone is a real person or not. I know that there is no way that there are 999 U2 FANS that decided to give up their tickets. So something went wrong. Also, another problem is the limit placed on the number of tickets: 2 across the whole tour. That seems outrageous! For me, I wanted to go to these shows with one other friend and to be able to buy 2 tickets to each show in Vancouver to get the full "Experience." So, apparently that means, however, that I need my friend to also have a U2 subscription. And what about subscribers that are married to or in a relationship with the person they want to come to the concert?? I'm sure most households don't need two copies of the exclusive vinyl or the book. So it would seem that asking people to pay $50 per person to gain (faulty and sketchy) access to (possibly) pre-sale tickets seems a little selfish on the part of those organizing it. We're already spending a LOAD of money on tickets, do we really need to fork out so much more on a subscription that may or may not work? So, it is now well past noon local time for the Vancouver shows. I have no tickets and am regretting this subscription. Sure, the vinyl will be nice, but the overall ticket-buying process didn't seem like a nice treat for committed fans, but a way to get some more money out of a bunch of sucker's that will pay anything. To those of you subscribers that settled for tickets you didn't want because the whole system was a mess, I feel for you. For those, like me, who had such a bad experience and received no tickets at all, I also feel for you. I wish there was a formal place to send these complaints but there isn't, so I'm posting them here. I guess if you can't get tickets just know that there are literally thousands of tickets available at a 100 - 500% markup on resell sites. So, if you really want to feel screwed, go shop around there. Sincerely, A Very Frustrated Fan.
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