Leaderboard


Popular Content

Showing content with the highest reputation on 12/10/2017 in all areas

  1. 2 points
    Time for a pun. A day without mi.
  2. 2 points
  3. 1 point
    The market for concert tickets has always fascinated me as a microcosm of the supply and demand economy. Plus, as an avid music and sports fan, I wanted to understand how this economy worked, in order to optimize the opportunity to get the best seats possible without paying too high a premium. Given all the hand wringing over the E+I tour tickets, I thought I would share a few misc. ramblings on the topic here... For many decades, many top artists undervalued tickets to their own shows. Whether you think the price set is "fair" or not, in the abstract, doesn't change the fact that that artists were leaving money on the table. If they sold a $30 seat, and it got resold for $150, then the true value of that ticket was paid to someone other than the artist. Someone else profited off their "art." Whenever there was an disparity in the "face" ticket value and its true value, a market would spring up to profit of off the difference. Back in the old days, when was young, "scalpers" used to pay people to drive to different, out of the way Ticketmaster locations far from the venue where the show was to be played, and buy as many tickets as they could. Now, there is two ways to look at this. Some artists make a conscious decision to leave value on the table because they believe many of their core fans can't afford to pay the "true value," or shouldn't have to stretch and pay the "true value" from a scalper. This is the Pearl Jam approach. Verified fan club members pick up their tickets on site at the venue, and there is no resale on the best seats, which go to the fan club members. Just as important, the band handles tours itself, rather than signing with an outside vendor like Live Nation. The other way to look at it, is to funnel the actual "true value" of the ticket to the artist. The basic principle is to beat the "scalpers" at their own game. In other words, price the tickets from the outset at their "true value." This is essentially what Live Nation (I specifically say "Live Nation" and not the band. Discussed below further...) has attempted to do here. The tour management companies for other big acts, like the Rolling Stones, have done this unapologetically for years. The risk in such an approach is attempting to guess what the actual "true value" is, before the tickets have actually gone on sale. In the free market, with "scalped" tickets freely available, that equilibrium occurs naturally. But here Live Nation had to guess. It ultimately decided that the ticket prices we have all seen for the E+I tour represent what the market will readily bear. I think it is learning that their estimation may have been... a tad off.... Take a quick look at tickets in various markets, and especially in markets where a second show was added. I'll take Chicago, since that is one I bought tickets for. Make sure you eliminate the "certified resale" tickets, and limit it to "regular" tickets. Plenty of good seats still available for night one. I'm almost embarrassed for the band on night two. It looks like half the venue is still for sale, and NOT through the second hand market. Something has got to give there, and I doubt it will be a cancelled show. I predict it will be reduced tickets to increase attendance. To save face, Ticketmaster may switch them over to the "verified resale" section so it looks like someone else already paid face value and took the loss, but one way or another, U2 can't afford to play to a half full venue. If you are going to Chicago 2, there is no incentive to buy a ticket right now. Wait until they go down, and snag it later. It won't sell out either way. My next point relates to how little control the band likely has over ticket prices. I'm going to make some assumptions here, because I obviously don't have the Live Nation/U2 contract available to me, but I think I am right... My understanding is that before U2 360 the band signed a 10+ year contract with Live Nation. My belief is that Live Nation guarantees a set amount of money to the band per show. In exchange, Live Nation handles logistics, booking venues, and setting ticket prices. Any profit above the guaranteed amount plus expenses goes to Live Nation. And as you all know, putting on a U2 show isn't cheap. One thing I've always admired about the band is that it tries to reach the top row in the back of the arena just as much as the front row. (I wrote a review here of the U2 360 show titled "No One Else Tries This Hard.") But of course, U2's set pieces cost an exorbitant amount of money. And the contract requires the band to perform a certain number of shows over the lifetime of the contract, be it in arenas or stadiums. (I'm convinced contractual obligations had at least something to do with the Joshua Tree tour, as Songs of Experience was delayed so long, but that is another topic for another day.) There obviously is pressure for the band to deliver on Live Nation's behalf. I believe that has translated into certain songs (i.e. "hits") in the U2 catalog never leaving the setlist, but again, that is a topic for another time and place... But the point is, I don't believe the band has any control over ticket prices. Here are a few things to consider about the secondary market... First, I hear people complain all the time about "tickets being on sale on 'X' web site before even the pre-sales." Here is the truth: they don't actually have those tickets yet. There are people that essentially sell ticket "futures." Once the get an order for a ticket, they then attempt to go on the secondary market themselves and buy a comparable ticket to the one they sold to fulfill the order. They make money off the difference. I bet there are some here you have bought tickets on such sites only to get the "we cannot fulfill your order" email. Another thing to keep in mind is that because a ticket is advertised on a secondary market for a set price, does not mean in any way that it will sell for that amount. There also needs to be a distinction between a professional resale site, and the guy who puts $2,500 worth of tickets on his credit card and thinks he is going to get rich. When the credit card bill comes due 30 days later, and he can't pay the bill, dumping the tickets fast becomes a bigger incentive than paying 18% interest on a credit card. (Check Craigslist about 30 days after the general on sale date. Deals to be had...) Professional resale sites, on the other hand, make money by dealing in volume. And to sights such as Stub Hub, the actual price that the ticket changes hand for is somewhat irrelevant to them. The reason is that they make money off the transaction itself. Much of the transaction fees are the same regardless of the ticket price. I hope that helps put into perspective what I think we are witnessing: U2 fans being used as guinea pigs in Live Nation's experiment to try to beat the scalpers at their own game and sell, from the start, tickets at their full market value. But music is like sports; much emotion and feeling, less practical sense. Spending $300 or $1000 on concert or sporting event is a decision made with the heart, not the head or wallet. But ultimately, music is art, is it not? And I would argue that taking the Pearl Jam approach and leaving money on the table, handling their own tours, and hitting the road with a low key set, which allows keeping the focus on the music and varying wildly the set lists, has created a fiercely loyal fan base that has compensated the band very very well. Further, that fan base will continue to do so for many years to come. I hope U2's deal with LIve Nation hasn't damaged its relationship with its own base... At some point, the market will only bear what it will bear... All the best.
  4. 1 point
  5. 1 point
    'Am enjoying listening to SOE... there's always (so far) more to hear, the more one listens ... “The days of our lives are numbered. We know that. Yes, there are certainly times when we aren’t able to muster as much strength and patience as we would like. It’s called being human. But I have found that in the simple act of living with hope, and in the daily effort to have a positive impact in the world, the days I do have are made all the more meaningful and precious. For that I am grateful.“ –Elizabeth Edwards. ..... this quote was passed on to me by a dear friend who has since passed on. 12/21/17: 'Funny... now that I am COMPLETELY fed up with all the ordering snaffu's re: trying to give a friend a gift subscription to U2.com, I have NO patience left and I'm living without hope of ever resolving that issue or any others re: ordering ANYthing from U2.com, where there are too many problems, too little time for me to resolve them. U2 makes great music, but their business end needs straightening out.
  6. 1 point
    The correct internet etiquette would be to blame someone else for something unrelated, flame them in a personal manner, and then never revisit the subject of your mis-quote.
  7. 1 point
    brilliant. get mad. question me. question them. question everybody. i love the music too. but i can't separate the music from the people making it anymore. i've defended the band though many a scandal but the latest is the last straw for me. especially seeing what this country is trying to deal with at the moment. now don't get me wrong, i know we're a wealthy country compared to many but we are still hurting. the wealth is at the top and when those with the wealth use it to hire very expensive accountants to find ways of (legally) "avoiding" paying taxes then it's the poorest end up suffering. and ignorance is no excuse. (use google if you're not up to date with all this). Bono and his friends will be out on christmas eve busking and collecting change for the homeless and needy. that's an amazing tradition. they've been doing it for years. because ireland has a homeless crisis. ireland got landed with a debt of over 80bn after the 2008 banking collapse. yes, alot of that was internal but there was alot of it caused by actors outside the state. but nobody has been held accountable. that's nothing new. it's the average person in ireland who has paid for it. our infrastructure is crumbling. our hospitals are at breaking point. our sick are more likely to spend their time in hospital on a trolly in an over crowded corridor rather than a room where they can suffer in privacy. our youth have to leave to find a decent wage. our schools are falling behind because of lack of funding. we can't afford homes because the banks (that we technically own after the bailout) and vulture funds are kicking people out of their homes so they can charge the influx of workers from the likes of facebook and google massive rents ... rents the average worker in ireland can't afford anymore because we took paycuts to help the country in it's time of need. we have have over 8500 people homeless because of these actions. they are either on the street or in temporary accommodation. 3000+ children live in hotel rooms. we have lost 3 homeless people on our streets in the last 2 weeks and the weather is only getting colder. our navy families are struggling to put food on their tables. many require social welfare payments or food bank donations ... and these are the people who protect us!!! ......... it's heartbreaking......... and then we find out that paul, whilst he's running around the globe telling people like you what's wrong with your country, has some very clever accountants finding "investments" for him that lower his tax burden. even if the latest scheme revealed last month saved him 100k in irish tax, here's what that 100k could have done for his country .. it would have paid the wages of maybe an extra 3 nurses in a hospital. those nurses would have allowed an extra bed to have been opened up for a year. that bed could have given dozens of our elderly somewhere to recover or die in dignity. it might might have helped save a life. or it could have helped in providing some housing for a family that lost their home because they couldn't afford the massive rate hike in their mortgage or rent. there are so many examples of the good that money could have done here or wherever it was due to be paid. because this is a global problem. and then paul comes out and pleads ignorance. it's infuriating. looking around me i can't help but feel if the wealthy of this world spent less time finding clever ways of avoiding their tax responsibilities and more time actually seeing the good those taxes can do then the whole world would be a better place... maybe ... and i'm sure that's the message bono travels the world delivering. but paul has left bono down. i hope the anger and pain he has expressed is real. and he learns from it. cause i sure have. and i don't even care about the presale anymore. it's the dishonesty or spin that's angered me. clearly this isn't the house that u2 built anymore. they sold it and the new owners don't care. i've only been here a short while and you guys have been amazing. i love reading your memories and your future plans. i love the community ye have built here. but the band need to know that it is you who have built it. it is you who keep it going. you're the heart and soul of zootopia because they seem to have abandoned it. that's obvious from the lack of reply. i doubt anyone has even told them about all this confusion and that you're hurting. and please know, even though i might quote you, i am not angry with you or trying to upset you. i'm simply using your words to start what i think is an important discussion. mainly in my own head. who is u2 to me now? and is the music enough of a justification for me to support them anymore? it's an internal conflict i'm struggling with. i'm sorry to burden you with it but i can't find another outlet for it. this county is too small and those who could/should be asking these questions are either too friendly with or seem afraid of the band and ticketmaster. i think that's enough from me so with that i'll say goodbye. who knows. maybe we'll stand next to each other at a gig sometime ... i'll be the guy singing at the top of his voice in completely the wrong key getting half the words muddled up. seeya
  8. 1 point
  9. 1 point
    We are all free to think what we want. I was respectfully disagreeing and being honest. One Republic is no boy band. I used many favors to take two girls to see ' NSync at their height. We were right by the stage. I was about to endure 20,000 screaming girls and it was even worse than I'd imagined it would be. It's the only time I've wished I had something to protect my ears at a concert. Boybands can have good songs. For each good song by a boyband there are a hundred other bad ones. It's not about the music. It's about them being cute. They are marketed as being cute to little girls. There are toy dolls and stickers and lunch boxes. I've seen One Republic live many times. I saw them twice this last Summer. You don't have to like them, but just like U2,...they are not a boyband. They are impeccable musicians. Ryan Tedder can play the piano and sing live like nobody I've seen save Elton John. There was no crowd singing. Even had there been...what's wrong with it? Have you seen U2 live? The crowd sings even when they are not prompted to do so. There are no toy dolls. One Republic does a lot for good causes just like U2. They support very good organizations which help people. I do think your, 'perfect music for crowdsinging', and 'Really lovely songs.', were both quite funny in their own patronizing nature. You even used the upper case! Thanks for the laugh. The beauty of this is we can disagree and I could not disagree more. Can we agree to disagree and leave it at that? I'm sorry you don't like whatever it is you don't like on the new cd. You seem to be in the minority. I'd give it another few rounds. It really grows on people who initially didn't like it at all. It seems like you want the old producers/sound and it's not what they are about right now. Great bands evolve and change. That does not mean you are wrong for not liking U2 using however many producers. Please do not diminish said producers' talent because you are unhappy with SOE.
  10. 1 point
    It does not upset me,. however; I'm not sure you've read enough content to know how critical we diehards can be with U2. Many were very angry over the presale, but it is what it is. Yes, they signed with LN but so did a bunch of other major acts. So what? We do not know what was in that contract. I cannot possibly imagine the intricacies of navigating the music industry, nor would I want to do so. Perhaps they regret it now? Who knows? We do not have the right to tell them when they should or should not speak on their own behalf. That would be taking away what I love the most about them: they do what they do when they do it how they do it. Bono really irritated me when he started talking about America and what it is during one show. He said it was an idea or something. I don't even remember but I thought, "Dude, do not tell me what America is. I paid to be here, but remember that you are a guest, mind your manners and stop it.'. That being said....it was forgotten until your post. I don't care. I care about the music. In the end it's the music. No LN or TM or silly things said at shows. It's the music. It's the lyrics. It's the gathering and knowing that somewhere out there are a bunch of other Zootopians and we are all gonna go nuts once the house goes to whole and it begins yet again. It's also the fact that somewhere in Chicago there will be Zootopians gathered and it will be posted on this site and anyone can go and be a part of something which is much larger than Live Nation will ever be. As for the presale...we do not know what they are thinking. We do not know when or if they will address it. I would be very surprised if the presale was ignored. I don't think it will be. I wonder if anyone has even had time to figure or find out what went wrong. They just finished a major tour. A new album was released. A new tour is happening, and it's all within 12 months. I think they will say what they say when they are ready to say it and it will be said as they wish and not how others desire. I am not singling you out when I say others. I'm sorry about how Ireland is right now if it is bad...I don't know or cannot recall what you mean. I'm an American and we're in trouble and it's getting worse every night I watch the news. I am not a member of Twitter but we've a twat at the helm. (it is a play on words using the second meaning of twat and not the bad one.) That's why I need the music and the lyrics and I get so feisty and loyal because I don't know what I'd do without it. That does not mean I blindly follow anyone or anything.
  11. 1 point
    Our tracker says delivery on 12/13. I can only assume they're walking it to my house.
  12. 1 point
    If you like movies AND U2 than you should see the movie "Contagion" with Matt Damon amongst others. At the end of this intense movie the song "All I Want is You" is played and the effect is chillingly beautiful. Ofcourse even without any movie this song is heavenly on its own. We have Van Dyke Parks to thank for the string arrangements which are admired by the u2 guys at the end of the song when they look and listen in admiration to the beautiful strings. What a great song. I dont think U2 will bring a full string orchestra on tour but this song lends itself so well for an acoustic version, like they did on the ZOO TV tour. Gorgeous song....goosebumps allover
  13. 1 point
    same here, Omnivox. I hope they put it into the setlist for the tour. I'd try and find a reason that fits in with the tone of the new album/tour but it's such an amazing song that I feel no need. I love Edge's guitar on it. I think it's still my favorite piece of his guitar playing.
  14. 1 point
    I'm sorry for how I reacted to your comment. I sound like an ass in my dissertation. I had a very bad headache and I was crabby. You have every right to feel however you feel. I was wrong and judgemental and VERY long winded in my response. Please pardon me. You are going to get the refund for the U2.com membership from what I can discern. That's too bad. It's really intense in here right now with the presales but there are a lot of really good people. Perhaps you are getting an automated reply because they are so buried with the presales and will get to you eventually? I don't know. I'm guessing. It sucks you are doing that after being shut out of the presale. I'm sorry you had such a bad experience. I'm not sure if you have ever seen U2 live...if not...keep checking for ticket dumps. U2 is beyond sensational live. They transcend. I highly recommend trying to get a ticket or two for the show. I keep saying this but they always release tickets as the show approaches. I find the best time to look is between 2 am and 6 am but other times they release them too. Again, I'm sorry for my comments. I was being a jerk and did not intend it, however; I feel like an ass. I'm sorry I wrote what I did. I'm also sorry how I wrote it. You have my sincere apology.
  15. 1 point
    I don't think they're interested in stopping this. For instance, on Ticketmaster, they're allowing the Stubhub-like sales with Ticketmaster's "fan to fan resale" - it's the same thing as Stubhub, just on Ticketmaster. Ticketmaster has said that they only allow this service to be used when the performer gives permission. There are plenty of artists who do not allow Fan To Fan Resale. And yet, there it is on U2's Ticketmaster listings. So if Ticketmaster says that "fan to fan resale" is only used with the consent of the artist - and U2's management says that U2 wants to eliminate scalping - both of those things can't be true at the same time. You can't say you're anti-scalping and then allow your tickets to be scalped on Ticketmaster. So is U2 lying about wanting to stop scalping, or is Ticketmaster lying that the artist decides whether to allow resale on their site?
  16. 1 point
    you can feel what he has been into throughout this album....those lyrics are really breathtaking....thank God,he's still alive and i really hope he will be fit to tour again....let's pray for him and the others too ofcourse!
  17. 1 point
    yes, Thank goodness they are here.....Peter! I've said this statement since I was very, very young....... I believe God is using U2 as his instrument.....voice......to humanity. Babies love U2.....even my Cats love U2(seriously).... U2's music has a a pacifying, peaceful and warm effect....there is something very extraordinary about the energy that emits from their unique sound....an aura., that transmits otherworldly..... God uses U2 with intent and great purpose..... and I don't think God is done.....just YET.....
  18. 1 point
    It is interesting you made a specific post on Bono's health, because I've been plagued by the same thoughts. I respect that Bono wants to keep his private life, private.....really I do..... The media can be vultures and predicate on celebrities when they experience personal difficulties of ANY kind......Misery loves company.... But, U2 fans are a all different breed.....we actually care about Bono/the band on a very intimate level....heck....most of us went through puberty with U2 along our side. Many of us fans have a long term relationship and deep commitment to the band/their music. I can honestly say I love them.....I love U2 through the amblicial connection of their music/messages to the world. I would be absolutely devastated if anything happened to Bono, Edge, Larry or Adam(and not in that order). I love each of them for what they contribute....their individual style and how their friendship defines them as a whole. I pray Bono is really okay.....because I can't image my life without the gift of their music.....