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  1. For the I&E tour, this was more than just an internet rumor. The official press release, the official website, and the LiveNation and Ticketmaster pages, from December 2014, all contained verbiage from the band and promoters about there being two different shows from night one to night two. Sometime around April 2015 (several months after all tickets were sold out), the band gave an extensive interview to The New York Times and it was mentioned within that article that the two night idea had been abandoned in rehearsals. That article then stated that instead, the band would perform the same Act I set each night, and that the Act II (post-intermission) set would vary wildly from night to night - which also did not happen. So that was a bit more than internet rumor. What apparently happened, as per the Times article in 2015, was that the band developed two different setlists to perform on the I&E stage, but then became concerned that fans would be upset and disappointed if they only attended one show, and missed hearing their favorite hits that were instead played on the other night. I don't think it's logistically difficult to perform two different setlists on back to back nights - plenty of other artists do this as a matter of routine. The band simply got cold feet and decided not to do it. In and of itself, there's nothing wrong with that decision. But I think it was clumsy and misguided that the idea of there being two different shows was used to drive sales, and then once the tickets were sold, the idea was abandoned. Some fans felt that they did not get what they paid for, and were upset by what felt to some like a bait-and-switch. However, no such announcements were made for the current tour, so there was no expectation that this current tour would vary wildly from night to night. What I think has been surprising is that, for the 2015 tour, the band played about 4-5 different songs per night in cities that had more than one show. On the 2018 tour, the band is switching only one song per night in cities that had more than one show. There's very little precedence for U2 playing that static of a setlist in the same city for multiple regular tour dates, so that has come as a surprise to some.
  2. It's hard to disagree with that. I think we had a bigger case in 2015, when the band said in advance of tickets going onsale that fans should buy tickets to both nights, as there would actually be two different setlists being performed. The band went back on that announcement only after the tickets were sold. So I think fans who bought tickets to both nights in 2015 may have done so because the band promised two different shows, and I think those fans have a reasonable case about being disappointed then. No such promises were made for this current tour. Historically, the band has rotated a handful of songs from night to night when performing in the same city - when U2 did play eight shows in NYC in 2015, on average, they changed about four to six songs from night to night while maintaining the basic structure of the show. By comparison on 2018, so far, U2 are basically changing one song per night for multiple night stands, so that is less than what they've done historically. That's also on par with what they did during the JT2017 tour; the thing is, because JT2017 was such a special occasion show with a unique focus on one specific album, I don't think fans expected that to carry over to this next tour. I think most fans who are used to attending multiple shows on the same tour were expecting that 4-5 song variety that's held true in the past, and weren't expecting it to be just one song being rotated. I can understand being disappointed by that. If your expectation was that there would be 10 songs different from night to night, that was probably never realistic, but I don't think it was unrealistic to anticipate there being about four songs changed from to night in the same city to another.
  3. I doubt they'll ever come out and announce it, but it never seems to last long in the setlist. I remember being at the show in Boston in May 2005 where they played it for the first time in 12 years, and I thought, "Wow, they're playing this right before the next leg starts, I wonder if this is going to come back in a big way" since it got such a great response from the audience and sounded so great, but it didn't stick around. I then saw them in the fall of 2005 when they were trying it as an acoustic number, and it got an even greater response from the audience, and I thought maybe then it would stick around... but it didn't. I honestly am unsure as to why that song seems to be on a particularly short leash, but it does seem that way.
  4. Ultimately, and I don't mean this to sound as negative as it probably will, but... before the 2015, U2's official website, U2's promoters, as well as Live Nation, and Ticketmaster, all told people that they should purchase tickets to both nights in the same city because the band would be playing two different shows. After the tickets were all sold, the band then walked this back, and did not play two different shows. If we couldn't count on U2 to play two different shows on a tour when they actually sold tickets on the premise that they would, I think it's probably not realistic to expect them to play two different shows on a tour where they made no such promise prior to it beginning.
  5. vertigojds

    Change the Set List

    Heck, we were specifically instructed by the official channels -, Live Nation, Ticketmaster, and U2 press releases - to purchase tickets to two nights for the 2015 because Nights 1 and 2 would be completely different shows. Then, after tickets were sold out, they changed their minds - but not before telling people that they should buy for both nights.
  6. vertigojds

    Not enough SOE played so far!

    As long as we're requesting b-sides, "Crystal Ballroom" should have made the actual album for Songs Of Innocence and I'm very disappointed that I didn't hear it in 2015. They played 8 shows at Madison Square Garden and didn't play it there once, but played it in cities where they had significantly fewer shows. I think Bono was even overheard saying to a fan that it was actually the most important song on the album. And yet... didn't really get much of a chance to find an audience. Some of U2's deep album cuts and b-sides are among their very best work, and there are times that I wish the band would take more of a chance on playing them live. I don't know when the expectation for concerts changed so that the only songs played would be ones that a majority of the audience would instantly recognize - personally, I'm okay with seeing a band and hearing songs that I didn't know (or didn't know very well) in advance. Some of my all-time favorite songs from U2 as well as other acts became all-time favorites precisely because the bands introduced them to me in a live setting. I love "The Little Things That Give You Away" as much as I do probably because they played that song at the end of the JT17 show I saw. When a band spends 2 1/4 hours playing all hit songs known by everyone in attendance, and then makes a point of playing a brand new, unknown song as the last performance of the night, that sends a signal that I find very hard to ignore - that says, to me, "pay attention closely, something special is happening." I don't know when the rest of the audience stopped feeling that way and started equating "I don't know this song" with "time to leave" or "bathroom break".
  7. vertigojds

    Change the Set List

    If the band was ultimately unwilling to play two different setlists on the 2015 tour - after the official press release and promotional materials all emphasized that ticket buyers should purchase tickets to both nights, as two different shows would be performed - I think there's a less than zero chance that this will happen on a tour when no such announcement was made.
  8. vertigojds

    Not enough SOE played so far!

    I do love the first track, and I love the first half of Lights of Home - but then I lose a little bit of my connection with the material. 6 and 7 are growing on me I think You’re The Best Thing About Me is a great song title and great idea for a song. It doesn’t live up to its potential in my book. I didn’t love American Soul when it was called Volcano and I still don’t love it. Theres something about Get Out Of Your Own Way that sounds more like an A.I.’s mimicking of a U2 song rather than feeling like an actual U2 song. And I think “The Blackout” covers a lot of the same thematic ground as those two but has a much more kickass sound. But I mean - it’s great that I want to hear more from the record. There are few things as disheartening as a new album you don’t want to hear anything from.
  9. vertigojds

    Concert Energy For this Tour

    Understood - apologies for misinterpreting. And I agree, that is a prime reason for why I’d take a rail spot somewhere where the band doesn’t stay the whole show vs being one or two people back where the band often is. Because it’s no fun trying to see a show over a sea of outstretched arms holding their brightly lit phone in your sight line. Ive pretty much given up taking photos during the show. I want to be moved by the music and the performance. I don’t need to document it. And I find, with U2 and other bands, that I’m more likely to get some kind of acknowledgement from the performers by not having my phone out. I remember the first time I had GA tickets for U2 was in 2001, and I was one or two people back from The Edge inside the heart. When he reached his hand towards the crowd, everyone’s shot up hoping to get a handshake or high five. I was in a similar spot in 2015 and when Edge made the same gesture, a sea of phones raised instead. My experience has been that if you spend the show trying to take the perfect picture, you’ll miss the show and the interaction, and some guy in the 100 level with a telephoto lens will get better shots anyway. But if you just watch and participate, you’ll get to make eye contact, get a wave or handshake, or some other acknowledgment. That’s far more rewarding to me than the photo.
  10. vertigojds

    Concert Energy For this Tour

    Oh, if only that were true! I've been blocked far worse by phones on the GA floor than I've ever been in seats.
  11. vertigojds

    Will they come back to USA after Europe?

    If you would have asked me prior to the 2015 tour, I would have said yes. Historically, U2 tend to tour first leg in the US, followed by a second leg in Europe, a return to the US for a third leg, and then a fourth leg with rest of world dates (often South America, Australia/New Zealand, and Japan). ZooTV, PopMart, Elevation and Vertigo all followed this pattern. 360 broke it somewhat by starting in Europe and then traveling to the US, but it did then do a second swing through Europe and finally a return to the US. But the 2015 kinda broke precedent by doing one leg in the US, followed by one leg in Europe, and then calling it quits. And then, the JT17 tour didn't conform to precedent either (though that was more expected given the unusual nature of the shows). So I don't think there's any way to know with any certainty if this tour will follow their historical pattern or the I&E 2015 tour pattern. But as has been noted, sales are way down on the US dates compared to previous tours. Some think it's over-saturation (U2 touring three out of four years when historically they tend to come around only once every four or five years), and some think it's the extraordinarily high prices being charged this time; still others think it's a combination of both. But whatever the reason, that shows normally expected to sell out instantly didn't may dampen enthusiasm among promoters for bringing them back. I just think it's too early to say at this point.
  12. vertigojds

    Not enough SOE played so far!

    I absolutely adore The Little Things That Give You Away. I saw four of the JT17 shows, and that was played as the closing number for two of the shows that I attended, and that made those nights that much better. I thought it was such a powerful note to conclude on, particularly after a show dedicated to revisiting past glories - the idea of doing a song that in many ways is a confession about wondering if you're as good as you want to be, if you're worthy of everything, if this can still go on or if it's coming to an end - that takes a certain something. When I heard them play the song live, I could swear that the lyric near the end was "Sometimes I'm so full of anger and grieving / so far away from believing / that any song will reappear". When I got the actual CD and read the lyrics, I was surprised that it was actually "...that any sun will reappear". I had thought that the song was about a fear that one day the well might dry, that inspiration could disappear, and that the songs and songwriting which had always come so easily could vanish. I still think the song is a masterpiece even with "sun" being the actual word instead of "song" but man - you could have knocked me over with a feather when I first heard them do it and heard the lyric as I did. I think "The Showman" is a great little song with a great groove (it's almost somewhere between Fast Cars and A Man And A Woman, if such a combination is even possible) - I think that would make a great acoustic, e-stage type number. Would be great to hear Bono sing "You look so good!" and hear the backing vocals and crowd shout back "little more better!" to him. And "Landlady" is just stunning to me. I know that "13 (There Is A Light)" is more of the official sequel to "Song For Someone" but thematically, I think "Landlady" is a great pairing. Song For Someone is what new love (or young love) feels like; Landlady is what happens when we're lucky enough to nurture and grow that love over a lifetime. Since the 2015 tour and now, I've gotten married, and just as Song For Someone was perhaps my favorite from SOI, Landlady very well could be my favorite from SOE - I mean, ask me at a different time and I'll probably have a different answer. But everything in Landlady speaks to me and speaks to how much I love my wife, how deeply I cherish our relationship, and how clearly I see that she is the balancing force in my life. Alas, she's not really a U2 fan (nobody's perfect!) so I don't think she's heard the song yet, but I am very tempted to print out a copy of those lyrics and just give it to her with just that song, because it says so many things I want to say, better than I know how to say them. I know this is extremely unlikely to happen, but if U2 wanted to play Songs Of Experience from track 8 to track 13 without interruption, I'd be the happiest guy in the world. There are a couple before track 8 that I could take or leave, but 8-13 is just about as perfect in my book as anything U2 have ever done.
  13. With respect, and while I appreciate the effort, I believe that my point is being missed here. General admission ticket holders receive an email notification from the venue; this notification will set the rules and tell people when they are allowed to show up. Most people receiving this email will believe it, and will follow those directions, not knowing that there is an unofficial lineup which will allow people to get a spot closer to the front of the line by showing up in advance of what the official email tells them to do. So every person who does follow the direction and shows up at the earliest time they are told they are allowed to show up will find themselves waiting in line behind people who did not follow the rules and instructions and who decided to show up before the earliest possible time allowed. And I think that is unfair. Now, if the venue does agree to this, and includes as part of their system information about this fan-proposed system, that's one thing - then every ticket holder has the same information from the same source. But in my experience, this has never happened. And then the people who follow the instructions find themselves waiting behind people who did not. Again, I'm not advocating for a particular system. What I am advocating for is one set of rules, made available equally in advance to all GA ticket holders. Only the venue (and the official ticketing agency, Ticketmaster for most shows) can do this. What I find unfair is when a venue sets out one set of rules to all ticket holders, but then there's a secret set of rules that only some people are privy to. Any set of rules that is not explicitly endorsed and more importantly, shared, by those official channels puts people who follow the official rules at a disadvantage. And that's not fair. Once the venue sends out an official communication that people must follow a certain direction, that must be the rule that applies equally to all. edited to add: I know it must not seem like it from my comments, but I do appreciate the efforts by fans to try to come up with a way to make it equitable for all. I think there are a lot of good intentions and I don't mean to put that down. I just think it's also important to keep in mind that there are a lot of fans who are plenty willing to wait on line for however long they're allowed to do so, who don't participate in social media, who have only the official rules that the venue sent out equally to all ticket holders to go by. I just think it's extremely important that everyone be on the same page, and I think the only way that can be accomplished is by having the procedures circulated by the official channels so that everyone is starting from the same place. It's not equality of outcome that I'm after, just equality of opportunity.
  14. With respect, how can this be fair if the venue has already announced their official rules to all ticket holders? Unless the venue is planning on sending out a new email to all people who purchased tickets, this will be yet another show with two sets of rules - the rules sent out in advance by the venue which are freely available for all to see, and a second secret set of rules for those who just so happen to be active social media participants. That's my problem with these kind of fan run systems, which admittedly can be well intentioned. If you get an email from the venue saying that lineups are not permitted before 8am on the day of the show, it's not unreasonable that you might think, "If I get there at 8am, I will be at or near the front of the line." You wouldn't think to look for additional information about fan run lines or anything else, because you've already gotten information from the official source. For every GA show I've gone to, I've received an email directly from the venue informing me of the rules. So, why would I or anyone else think to look elsewhere, when I've been directly contacted by the main authority on this? I think it's entirely reasonable that most people will accept the official notice from the venue as the rule. Then, those people who did nothing wrong and who followed the rules to the letter, arrive at 8am, and discover that rather than being near the front of the line, that they're actually behind several hundred people who had an entirely different system from what had been communicated to them. Through no fault of their own, those fans are penalized by having to stand behind people who did not follow the rules that were sent to everyone.
  15. vertigojds

    Concert Energy For this Tour

    If they only hold them in front of their own faces, the extra light is obnoxious, but it's not the very end of the world. What's enormously frustrating and even worse in my book is the many people who hold their phones up and in front of them, thus blocking the view of people behind them and to the side of them.