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#1 passenger789

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Posted 26 November 2016 - 08:27 PM

Hey everyone..... starting to think the new album, aka SOE, is actually being delayed because Apple is not ready yet with the secret "new" music platform or distribution method that was talked about back in Sept. 2014 at the release of SOI. Remember both the band & Apple talking how they were working on this new method of music distribution so that people would want to start paying again for music? How U2 & Apple were working on "changing the game", that it was going to be irresistable because of all the xtra interaction you would get w the music &/or the band?

 

To me it is clear now that the release of the new album is heavily linked to this new platform-distribution method, this despite Adam saying recently "we've been humming and hawing on whether it's finished or not"... it's been finished for months, Apple is just not ready, and we know Apple will not release anything w the Apple name on it until EVERYTHING has been vetted-out.

 

And lastly, the payment U2 received from Apple at the release of SOI, rumoured to be 100 million $ (and probably very close to that amount), was not just for that 1 release. Do we all think that Apple would give U2 $100,000,000.00 just for that 1 time release (at that point in their career) & it not being for future promo + release + distribution etc etc?? I think not :)

 

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Posted 27 November 2016 - 02:56 PM

  Who knows !!!.... Could be !



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Posted 29 November 2016 - 01:45 AM

Glad I'm not the only one thinking this.  



#4 niterpi

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Posted 01 January 2017 - 06:36 AM


I would love for SOE to be delivered to my iTunes account same as SOI!

#5 jvd

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 10:33 PM

Maybe it's like they've said now about the JT tour.  They want to let it simmer for awhile and address the Trump situation before releasing it.



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Posted 10 January 2017 - 11:35 PM

I would *really* like them to do the idea that Edge told Rolling Stone he and Bono had for SOE when it comes out -- sneak into everyone's house and slip the CD under their pillow.  



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Posted 11 January 2017 - 11:12 PM

Maybe it's like they've said now about the JT tour.  They want to let it simmer for awhile and address the Trump situation before releasing it.

 

I wish they'd just shut up about Trump. I can understand Bono preaching about migrant crisis' and Africa etc. (although I don't like being preached in the middle of a concert)

 

But seriously I feel the election of a president in a democratic exercise in a country none of them we're born in has NOTHING to do with them.

 

I know people are upset and I get that but all these bands moaning on about it...get a grip. 


Edited by richie459, 11 January 2017 - 11:16 PM.


#8 passenger789

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Posted 12 January 2017 - 12:37 AM

 

Maybe it's like they've said now about the JT tour.  They want to let it simmer for awhile and address the Trump situation before releasing it.

 

I wish they'd just shut up about Trump. I can understand Bono preaching about migrant crisis' and Africa etc. (although I don't like being preached in the middle of a concert)

 

But seriously I feel the election of a president in a democratic exercise in a country none of them we're born in has NOTHING to do with them.

 

I know people are upset and I get that but all these bands moaning on about it...get a grip. 

 

Hey Richie, when I started this post several weeks ago that's what seemed most likely to me re. the release delays.... I would have been less dissapointed if that was the case but according to the Boyz now it is 'cause of them wanting to rethink some of the songs..... really?? I agree w most of what you say here.

I am dissapointed with that reason. As I have been reading elsewhere, I too have a hard time beleiving that U2 don't realise at this point in their career that their relevance musically is a moot point, the masses just don't care about U2's new music since at least 2010. 

 

I guess they feel that they should still try to be relevant musically-socially to all, including to their core fanbase, even if the majority of the core fanbase don't really care wether U2 is stil relevant musically-socially with regards to Joe & Jane Citizen...... just put out the new tunes & stop overthinking your music!! Take a chance at being wrong, take a chance at being bold musically even if it does'nt appeal to the masses, take a chance at falling flat on your face in front of the masses. Be more like Bowie, Prince, Springsteen, do your music & put it out, you'll always have your huge core fanbase no matter how bad you think your tunes may be. Look at those 3 Artists for inspiration to Just Get It Done & let the chips fall where they may!! :)

 

Well that's my nugget of advice to the Boyz for this year loll     



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Posted 12 January 2017 - 01:13 AM

I really really really don't want to listen to two hours go Trump bashing.  I just bought my ticket this morning FFS and then I hear about this nonsense.  

 

I get that their roots are political.  I get it.  But they've transitioned to causes vs raging against the political machine.  Bono's recent TED talk seemed to indicate a bit of a transition from queasy socialism to fully embracing capitalism as the answer to the problem of the truly poor.  

 

Maybe I was too hopeful to think he might have grown a bit conservative in his old age.

 

They will have to understand that many of their fans are older and conservative and bashing Trump won't be welcome.  I have no idea why artists during this election have decided to utterly write off 50% of their potential fan base with anti-trump diatribes.  Makes no business sense to me.

 

Even more disappointing is that seemingly intelligent people like the Edge and Bono have decided to believe everything they've read about Trump.  Most of which is utter crap.

 

I really really hope I don't have to walk out of a U2 show.  That will make a me a sad white Christian american conservative male over 40.

 

Maybe in a few month they'll see that Trump isn't making the KKK a new govt department.


Edited by streak, 12 January 2017 - 01:16 AM.


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Posted 12 January 2017 - 10:17 AM

Its no criticism to the band as musicians I just think Edge's RS interview just sent fear through me that alot of focus is being paid to the US Election. I understand the world is changing but with the greatest respect these guys touring TJT again or delaying SOE is not going to make a great deal of difference. Just focus on the music and let the songs do the talking if the abnd feel they can.

 

Causes such as Aids and poverty in Africa most of the audience of course will rally around and rightly so but I'm not sure another performance of Desire with Trump in the US will be the most sensible idea...the same goes with alot of other artist not just U2.



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Posted 12 January 2017 - 11:57 AM

I agree.  I just want to go relive the 87 concert.  I just want to go enjoy the music that has been a soundtrack in my life since I was 11.  I don't want to spend the whole time dreading the breaks between songs and what insults may come.



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Posted 13 January 2017 - 05:30 PM

I agree.  I just want to go relive the 87 concert.  I just want to go enjoy the music that has been a soundtrack in my life since I was 11.  I don't want to spend the whole time dreading the breaks between songs and what insults may come.

Hey Streak, I never thought the band would hurl Trump insults during the show/tour, they never have specifically targeted specific people w direct insults, at least I don,t recall that during any of their tours, they do however preach for tolerance & positive change on specific matters regularly during tours; in 2011 Iranian demonstrations for democracy, ONE campaigns, etc, during IE Tour it was about Syrian refugees & European extreme right movements etc.

I don't think you need to worry about Trump bashing during JTT, oddly enough a lot of people seem to be thinking that, I am surprised how much this aspect of the tour announcement and Edge & Adam interviews have brought people to this conclusion, in social media streams etc.

As always I am quite sure Bono & the Boyz will be talking in broader terms of the polarization of American & European citizens against each other & that everyone needs to chill out a bit & listen better to each other for the common good and so on. Here is what Bono has said just yesterday about all this, I believe him to be sincere, he always has been to date.

 

http://www.u2.com/ne...people-together

 

Cheers, and have a great show!! :)  



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Posted 13 January 2017 - 07:01 PM

I hope you're right but this is what I'm afraid of:

 

 



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Posted 13 January 2017 - 08:38 PM

Huummm.... wow ... I heard about the Bullet Blue Sky at this concert but had not seen it. I'm surprised to be honest, I don't think I've ever seen the band be this specific during a concert.

Well, now that the election is a done deal I'm thinking Bono & the Boyz would cut back on being that specific especially seeing as they are doing JTT in the southern GOP states.... but who knows.

'Gotta admit though, it is powerfull & they make a good point ... I'm in Montreal Canada, I assume you're in the US, I hope for you guys that Trump's Cabinet is more measured than he his, as indicated in the Cabinet approval hearings so far.

I just reread Bono's Q&A and sounds like they will change their "tune" (pun intended!! loll) during the tour, and I would even say based on what he just said in that Q&A, it seems that the change of circumstances is one of the motivations for them to do the JTT in some parts of the US that are pro-Trump... they have'nt been in those parts actually since 360 in 2009-11. 

 

Either way, guess you'll just have to wait & see what they do, as the saying goes "You pays your money & you take your chances" ;) Hope you have a good show, Cheers!! 


Edited by passenger789, 13 January 2017 - 08:44 PM.


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Posted 13 January 2017 - 09:54 PM

Not that I want to hash out politics here but I don't think they make a good point.  Tens of millions of Americans don't think so either so it would be dicey to sh!t on hold their audience.  I think they, like many, have been spoon fed a narrative by our left wing media that loved Hillary and loved Obama.  To just run with the narrative is a cop out.  Unfortunately they are believing every word of it.  And all at arms length and only what the "news" decided to report, er, spin.  

 

I remain hopeful that the hysteria dies down because your southern neighbors are truly sick of the whining about the election.  


Edited by streak, 13 January 2017 - 10:01 PM.


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Posted 13 January 2017 - 10:40 PM

Valid argument & point taken :) Like I say, Bono now says he wants to go out & meet you guys & try to better understand what happened  .... and maybe change some SOE song lyrics (hence the album delay) :) Don't forget they have always worn their hearts on their sleeves, with sometimes questionable results and like it or not.

 

I hope for you guys too that the hysteria does die down.... but not sure how that is gonna happen if your new President keeps Tweeting the way he has been loll .... up here in The True North, we say when the US gets the sniffles, we get the flu loll

Cheers!


Edited by passenger789, 13 January 2017 - 10:41 PM.


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Posted 28 January 2017 - 02:53 AM

Not that I want to hash out politics here but I don't think they make a good point.  Tens of millions of Americans don't think so either so it would be dicey to sh!t on hold their audience.  I think they, like many, have been spoon fed a narrative by our left wing media that loved Hillary and loved Obama.  To just run with the narrative is a cop out.  Unfortunately they are believing every word of it.  And all at arms length and only what the "news" decided to report, er, spin.  

 

I remain hopeful that the hysteria dies down because your southern neighbors are truly sick of the whining about the election.  

 

Only half of eligible voters cast a vote in this election; of that, less than half voted for Trump. So in reality, 3/4 of eligible voters did not support Trump and presumably still do not. It is not fair to assume that the majority of the country got what they wanted this election--if they did, his approval rating would be higher than 36-something percent. Also, if so many were so sick of "whining" about the election, I don't think you'd have so many protesters marching (like the millions last weekend). You are assuming that the majority of the country hold your viewpoint, which clearly appears to not be the case, again, given the numbers. You are also assuming that all left wing media is false, which is also not the case--yes, just about all news has a slant, but if you look at the facts, "liberal" MSM tends to get it right far more than right wing news sources who tend to push factually incorrect information.

 

If anything, it would seem that U2's performances reflected the majority of the country's feelings regarding Trump, so that's not exactly running with some sort of false narrative. That said, I don't really care how much or how little U2 rant about politics on the next tour. I don't care whose narrative it reflects or if it reflects one at all--if they want to speak out, that's their right as people. I don't come to the concerts to have my political opinion affirmed, I come to hear the music. As long as they're playing 20+ songs each night, I don't care what they say. And if people are so sensitive that they are offended by political talk from a band that has always been political, well then, they're probably better staying home.



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Posted 30 January 2017 - 11:40 PM

 

Not that I want to hash out politics here but I don't think they make a good point.  Tens of millions of Americans don't think so either so it would be dicey to sh!t on hold their audience.  I think they, like many, have been spoon fed a narrative by our left wing media that loved Hillary and loved Obama.  To just run with the narrative is a cop out.  Unfortunately they are believing every word of it.  And all at arms length and only what the "news" decided to report, er, spin.  

 

I remain hopeful that the hysteria dies down because your southern neighbors are truly sick of the whining about the election.  

 

Only half of eligible voters cast a vote in this election; of that, less than half voted for Trump. So in reality, 3/4 of eligible voters did not support Trump and presumably still do not. It is not fair to assume that the majority of the country got what they wanted this election--if they did, his approval rating would be higher than 36-something percent. Also, if so many were so sick of "whining" about the election, I don't think you'd have so many protesters marching (like the millions last weekend). You are assuming that the majority of the country hold your viewpoint, which clearly appears to not be the case, again, given the numbers. You are also assuming that all left wing media is false, which is also not the case--yes, just about all news has a slant, but if you look at the facts, "liberal" MSM tends to get it right far more than right wing news sources who tend to push factually incorrect information.

 

If anything, it would seem that U2's performances reflected the majority of the country's feelings regarding Trump, so that's not exactly running with some sort of false narrative. That said, I don't really care how much or how little U2 rant about politics on the next tour. I don't care whose narrative it reflects or if it reflects one at all--if they want to speak out, that's their right as people. I don't come to the concerts to have my political opinion affirmed, I come to hear the music. As long as they're playing 20+ songs each night, I don't care what they say. And if people are so sensitive that they are offended by political talk from a band that has always been political, well then, they're probably better staying home.

 

 

So if only 3/4 of eligible voters voted for Trump what does that say that Hillary still lost?  Math works both ways.  And you are way off base about reflecting the country's feelings. That entirely depends on where they are at the time.  The numbers don't add up on that score.  A relative few whining loudmouths don't represent the country.  And there is no denying the media is a bunch of leftists.  That is studied, measured and unequivocal.  Fake news exists everywhere for sure but the main stream media leans way left.  Dems have lost over 1000 elected positions since 2009.  35 of 50 Governors are republican.  The majority of state houses are republican as is the house, the seat and the White House.  Hard to argue the actual numbers vs your made up math there no?  The anti-trump rhetoric is going to play well in CA, NJ, NY and DC but the rest of the country exists under a blood red sky.


Edited by streak, 30 January 2017 - 11:41 PM.






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