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#41 joshthetree

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 11:36 AM

Who cares, U2 are touring, i get to see them again, I love them, 40 years on and still going strong, no complaints, no debate, it's Quite simple, I'm going and I'm going to sing my heart out.
U2 joy, nothing like it:D
Enjoy it while we still have it


Cool hope you have a great time =0)
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#42 Anjana

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 11:38 AM

:D
 

 


#43 Anjana

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 11:39 AM

Valid points. Just kind of a bummer is all.
 
Also I was really thinking SOE was coming this spring.


I'm treating the JT tour as a warm up for the real thing;)
 

 


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Posted 18 January 2017 - 01:56 PM

You're not getting a Joshua Tree instead of a SOE release/tour... you're getting it IN ADDITION TO those things.



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Posted 18 January 2017 - 09:13 PM

You glorify the past....when the future dries up........?

That rings true...

 

Some good discussions from everyone here and all opinions (nice ones) are good ones.   I appreciate some fans may not have seen earlier tours and sure always good to see them live.

 

The thought I like to leave you all  with is "Will SOE be their defining album? The one that topples ATB and JT in terms of commercial success? One hopes it is and that the time spent doing the JT 2017 tour isn't something that could have been used to make SOE even better.

 

 

What makes a great U2 album become one that we will cherish? Answer: Pressure, conflict and self-doubt. 

If you think back they always delivered the goods when under pressure and challenged either by the critics or their own self doubt. The Joshua tree came out of them feeling they were not real musicians. Pre-JT, U2 were a raw energetic young band fighting to establish themselves on the World stage. They were big but not really as well known as other greats.  They went away to discover harmonies, the blues...and wrote those songs you will hear again in a few months. 

 

Then in the late 80s, the critics tore them apart for Rattle and Hum. They were made out to be the boring clean cut band trying to save the world. Self righteous, etc.  The result...a time of confusion and self-doubt at the end of the 80s. They went away and through probably one of their most challenging periods gave birth to Achtung Baby ushering in a new era of irony and Rock and Roll. Underneath all that glamour, it was U2 having the last laugh because their passion for their personal causes remained strong. It just found a new vehicle in which to reach out and make a difference.

 

Roll forward to ATYCLB - they felt like giants of the past. Confined to the stadiums. What did they do? Small arena gigs to "reclaim their fans". Striped down music, no efforts just the guys on stage reconnecting with their fans and picking up new ones. Again a successful album and tour because there was a purpose behind what they set out to achieve. It was strong enough for them to stay on course.

 

And now 2011+, I see a lack of direction and purpose.  SOI and SOE?..no just SOI and then we will do SOE a year later because most of the songs are ready.  Then no, we are going away to do some writing because we've had a creative spurt...Then yes dust off the Joshua Tree because it is relevant again.... As someone above said, they can do what they want. That's true. But this is U2 and we know they have a connection with their fans to release great music.  They don't want to be a heritage act (not just yet!). They want to be creative and push the envelope as far as it can go...and push it even further... That,  for U2 means there needs to be inherent challenges and outside forces to drive them to greatness. They need to be pushed into a corner like a boxer. Against the ropes, trying to find a way out. If that happens,  we just might have something much bigger than the sum of its parts. Bigger than U2 itself.... We have seen them do that in the past. I want to see it in the future.

I see the JT 2017 tour as a distraction for them. Something we often do when we don't want to face what we should really be doing.

 

 

SOE will be good. I don't doubt that. I am just  not sure(at this stage)  if it will be epic... well let's hope it is...

 

Good night and see you in London on the 8th.

 

Phone is ringing..Looks like Bono telling me to stop my nagging as he has a plan up his sleeve...


Edited by Amrit, 18 January 2017 - 09:21 PM.


#46 joshthetree

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Posted 18 January 2017 - 09:24 PM

Hey Amrit, great piece of writing -I like that alot
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#47 Manohlive

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Posted 19 January 2017 - 12:17 AM

Lone Justice really good band they supported U2 at the Wembley Stadium show I went to =0)



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Posted 19 January 2017 - 12:22 AM

Lone Justice really good band they supported U2 at the Wembley Stadium show I went to =0)


Thanks. One person at least. Loved them. Her solo albums have some great stuff too. Springsteen used a few of them when he toured behind Lucky Town/Human Touch.

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Posted 19 January 2017 - 12:30 AM

Hey Amrit, great piece of writing -I like that alot


I agree with ya yet again. Great points.
I have talked with a number of fans in .Ilwaukee and they think the stage is going to be the IE stage. I said no and they mentioned the Paris show on HBO. Several of them now. Interesting.

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Posted 21 January 2017 - 10:53 PM

Something that can get lost in these existential analyses of whether the tour should be...most people under ~45 years old were too young to have seen the original Joshua Tree tour.  Probably at least half the people in attendance will be in this age category, including myself (Popmart was my first show).  I'm thrilled to get to see a Joshua Tree tour, cause I never got to see one before, and the tour was the stuff of legends.  I'll be happy to see what it was all about, even if Bono can't hit some of those notes anymore.

 

I agree with Countingbackwards on this because I am in the under -45 years old category of people who didn't get see the JT tour in '87, because I was too young then. My first gig of U2 was the Lovetown tour in 1990. I can't complain them touring the JT album again. I'm actually thrilled to get to see a JT tour and get to hear songs like Exit and In God's country for the first time live.



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Posted 21 January 2017 - 11:12 PM

You're not getting a Joshua Tree instead of a SOE release/tour... you're getting it IN ADDITION TO those things.

 

Seconded.

 

IMHO, they will release SOE this year and continue to tour into 2018 and beyond. I could see them going back to arenas to promote SOE as well. If they decided that they like the idea of a semi-nostalgic tour for JT, I could see them doing the same thing for AB/ZooTV-era when that time rolls around as well. In short, I see the next 4 to 5 years being very active for the band! :)



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Posted 22 January 2017 - 09:49 PM

I wish Bono (and Trump) didn't care so much about their reputation and what people thought of them. In Bono's case, it's hard to imagine being so superlatively creative and successful yet still being overcome by such paralyzing self-doubt.  Well, the complete and utter humanity of the guys is a large part of what we love about them, right?


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Posted 23 January 2017 - 06:23 AM

I'm glad to see them in concert again. It seemed it was just a short time ago (2015) I saw them last and thought it will be great to see them in the future, but I didn't expect it to be so soon. In fact, I was thinking it would be great to have a space of time in between tours so they could focus on the creative side of their craft. In any event, I could not nor would not (unless I was truly unable to) miss a concert with U2. Strange as it sounds, Joshua Tree was not an album I found myself gravitating to, but there are a few songs on their I really like. And I get the point of the original post of this thread, that the tour may just be a commercial endeavor fulfilled. In the end, we, the fans will have a really good time despite the mechanisms of the music business and its demands on artists. Who knows? Maybe U2 will throw in some surprises during the concerts!



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Posted 24 January 2017 - 07:47 PM

Yeah surprises 'womanfish' at Twickenham would restore my faith ;0)
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Posted 27 January 2017 - 04:10 PM

I wish Bono (and Trump) didn't care so much about their reputation and what people thought of them.

 

We're just lucky Bono isn't on Twitter dissecting all of the slams he gets on Zootopia... ;-)



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Posted 27 January 2017 - 07:36 PM


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Posted 29 January 2017 - 09:26 PM

A nice comment from the Edge 

however for me Joshua Tree was not a reaction to a political situation or any other than U2 reaching the top really

had listened to them about five years before that album and it is so rooted into my personal sense and experience of youth and U2 cannot relive it again live. I remember hearing it suddenly in a little wine bar in Florence February 2010 deeply moved how wonderful it sounded as a whole, got stuck to the chair hearing it and then oh, Trip Through Your Wires! how I love the song

 

but maybe the next album live, who knows 


Edited by jaanakulo, 29 January 2017 - 10:21 PM.


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Posted 29 January 2017 - 11:43 PM

  If we are going back to 1987...why not have Lone Justice open the tour with Shelter?  Do the whole album?   It's one of my all time favorites and Maria McKee's name is on the current back issue of Propoganda  which is being featured.  Am I the only one who knows this band? 

  If they were going to do an anniversary tour...this is the obvious one.  I'd love it if they did TJT and Achtung Baby in two different sets but then the stadiums wouldn't be selling out, now would they?  I think Please is one of the most underrated songs of all time.  I'd love to see them do Zooropa. 

  I have a feeling there are surprises ahead which nobody can predict or even conceive.  That's what they do best.

  As for them not being relevant in music anymore; why were we all so freaked about getting tickets?  I disagree.  I watch the audiences and there are always more youngsters appearing.  One could argue music is not relevant any longer.  Nobody pays for it save those of us who think they should get paid for the cds.  Tix would not be $300 if all did. 

  I'm just happy they added a second night in Chicago.  I'm gonna nab a GA the day of the show and go see whatever gem they give to the Windy City because it's always something and it's usually Bad.  Ever go to a U2 gig and say, "I hope they play Bad tonight.", (rather loudly) and look at all the confused faces listening?  Most don't even know the song and I listen to it daily and it's still the song I most want to hear.  It's even more fun to be able to say, "They played Bad last night.", and see all the worried faces thinking U2 is gonna suck live the one tour they finally decide to go see them.  It's late.  I've been writing for 12 hours.  Perhaps this will be deleted in the morning.

  I was not expecting this tour at first.  Once it starts, I think we'll all be happy.  Albeit disjointed...that's my take.

  Pop is always brought up as Gender did, and I agree, but no matter what they do, it's going to be amazing.  I want SOE too.

        I'm laughing so hard at your " BAD " jokes...... Hahahaha...... Some of the best U2 jokes I ever heard !!!!!!!

     AND.... I want MORE *POP* and SOE !!!!!

     It's simple........

     TJT30? : NO

      SOE :     YES.

      Something related to *POP* , like releasing rare demos and hardback photo-albums from the era ? : Yes.

     As for current business......U2 should have shut themselves up in whichever studio they would have felt more comfortable in and went firing on all 12 cylinders to finish SOE and make it their best   album ever........But no...........

     Oh and  POP  POP     POP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

     PS :  I find plausible the theory that U2 were supposed to release *SOE* in spring 2017 and tour it throughout 2017//2018 and because of whatever reasons they decided to stall SOE's concluding sessions so LiveNation put pressure on them so they *POP*ped out this TJT idea.........To fulfill their obligations with LiveNation so as not to go through what happened with *POP* all over again ( I think u all know)...But I think they should have done JUST that.......Work under pressure until the deadline.........That's what they did with *POP* and that's my favourite U2 album................U2's best work is done in times of pressure, self-doubt and all kinds of sadness and conflict.......I totally agree........


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Posted 30 January 2017 - 03:26 AM

 

Lone Justice really good band they supported U2 at the Wembley Stadium show I went to =0)


Thanks. One person at least. Loved them. Her solo albums have some great stuff too. Springsteen used a few of them when he toured behind Lucky Town/Human Touch.

 

Nope, not the only one. Loved them. Huuuge crush on Maria. Also saw them open for Tom Petty.



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Posted 30 January 2017 - 05:10 PM

Count me as one excited to see Bono's comments on music bringing people together.  U2 has always been about big ideas.

 

A show for the left, right, coasts and middle america is what is needed.  I think that quote was the best one I have seen to date.

 

I am excited for this tour way more than the last one.