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Re Obama's strategy for a new healthcare system in the USA which includes all. There seems to be loads of opposition to his plans and scaremongering by the private health care sector. It seems to me as an outsider that the most powerful country in the world has approx 20million people with no access to healthcare that this is somewhat an unsatisfactory position. the NHS in the UK is far from perfect but at least no-one gets turned away because they don't have the required funds.

So i'd be interested to hear from you americans why Obama's plans are causing such a furore.

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Because that will mean that the capitalist model of many large healthcare cooperations sincerely caring for the well-being of the people of the States and providing choice of service will be replaced by a communist model, where the system will find a way to turn down as many patients as possible for any reason imaginable. The latter will also mean that the big cooperations will have to be closed down, leaving countless people jobless. Oh, and the country will turn read and communist.

 

Anyway, that's how it looks to me how people think about it. Because I don't think I've heard a well put argument against the reform. Too often it is nothing but calling Obama a communist and a hater of the US.

 

(I'm not an American)

 

The cause for this, I believe, is the propoganda machinery of health care lobbyists dumbing down the reform to plain "Reform+Socialism=Monopoly=Communism".

 

The large cooperations will be required to actually provide health care the people have paid for, not find a reason to say why the person cannot receive something he has paid for. While we don't have universal healthcare in Latvia, and you have your insurance either paid by yourself or your employer, I haven't heard a single case when service has been declined because of "pre-determination" (or whatever was the term used to decline service).

 

So now they'll all have less profit than they would want. Hence, the investment in anti-plan thought.

 

Anyway, this is how I see the situation from this side of the pond by reading stuff online and watching some videos on Youtube. And it's also late, very late... so I'm probably making little sense.

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I actually find the NHS a pain the arse! Specailly when it comes down to mental health and having to wait stupid long time to wait to see a councellor then only have 6 sessions with them!!! I even couldn't choose a day or time to see one! Also it can take up to 6 months to see anyone regarding mental health 6 MONTHS! I honestly think i've been very lucky in some respect but we need more in the NHS!

 

Also when I was in hosptial with a really bad throat (Bad enough to be put on a drip) The nurses were so rushed off their feet that they didn't even put used things in the bin! Now I was in a side room and I don't blame any nurse as it's not their fault that they have to do things in such a way they miss things!

 

Personally when I can afford it I'd probbably go with BUPA just had to many things annoy me with the NHS

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OK, when I was living back home(Scotland) I was able to see a GP no problem, sometimes I can call in the morning be seen within a few hours or the next day, I've had a few operations, nothing major simple minor ops, never had to wait 6 months always been a few weeks.

Now I live in the US, for this year I have paid $5000 into my health insurance I've used it once, paid $20 for a doc visit got free anitbiotics - excellent. My two girls have used it to get shots from the docs $20 a visit - fair enough. One of my girls had a uriine infection, $120 to piss in a cup - health insurance paid $30 dollars towards that. My other girl was recommended for speach therapy - this is were the fun begins. We called the health insurance mob to ask if they will pay for the therapy- "Yes, but give me the codes, call back and we'll double check." Called the docs office, got the codes. Called the health insurance mob again - "Yeah, we'' cover the speach therapy." Girl goes to therapy, halff an hour session with health insurance $90 for half an hour! Without - $200!!!!!! After a few sessions we get a bill - $3200 - insurance won't pay for it....the medical codes changed????? Never heard such shit in my life....long story short....still arguing with health insurance to cough up.

Paid $5000 and they basically haven't paid nothing towards anything.

Now all companies have different health coverage some better, some crap. So you'll get mixed stories.

 

My understading of Obamas plan is, he wants all costs of health insurance to decrease, everything should be covered - shouldn't have to worry if they are going to pay or not. Everybody has the right to health insurance...who's going ot pay for it? The taxpayer, yes taxes will increase.

NHS has it flaws but I'll take the NHS any day rather have to deal woth health insurance companies.

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OK, when I was living back home(Scotland) I was able to see a GP no problem, sometimes I can call in the morning be seen within a few hours or the next day, I've had a few operations, nothing major simple minor ops, never had to wait 6 months always been a few weeks.

Now I live in the US, for this year I have paid $5000 into my health insurance I've used it once, paid $20 for a doc visit got free anitbiotics - excellent. My two girls have used it to get shots from the docs $20 a visit - fair enough. One of my girls had a uriine infection, $120 to piss in a cup - health insurance paid $30 dollars towards that. My other girl was recommended for speach therapy - this is were the fun begins. We called the health insurance mob to ask if they will pay for the therapy- "Yes, but give me the codes, call back and we'll double check." Called the docs office, got the codes. Called the health insurance mob again - "Yeah, we'' cover the speach therapy." Girl goes to therapy, halff an hour session with health insurance $90 for half an hour! Without - $200!!!!!! After a few sessions we get a bill - $3200 - insurance won't pay for it....the medical codes changed????? Never heard such shit in my life....long story short....still arguing with health insurance to cough up.

Paid $5000 and they basically haven't paid nothing towards anything.

Now all companies have different health coverage some better, some crap. So you'll get mixed stories.

 

My understading of Obamas plan is, he wants all costs of health insurance to decrease, everything should be covered - shouldn't have to worry if they are going to pay or not. Everybody has the right to health insurance...who's going ot pay for it? The taxpayer, yes taxes will increase.

NHS has it flaws but I'll take the NHS any day rather have to deal woth health insurance companies.

I have to book my doctor in advance to see her!

 

Oh and who pays for the NHS?? TAX PAYERS!! Like my dad points out to me all the time the NHS isn't free taxes pay for it so yes we don't pay insurance but people pay taxes for it

 

But can see where you are coming from hope you can see my pov as well!

 

and to be honest nothing is perfect lol

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I am an American, and here's how I see it. The conservatives want the government to be as hands-off as possible. They see the healthcare reform as government getting too controlling over people's lives. The insurance companies are only worried about their bottom line and see healthcare reform as the killer of their big cash cow. I know there are probably others that can give a more detailed explanation, but this is what I think people are fussing about. They are fussing about the supposed loss of control over their own life,  and insurance companies are fussing about the potential for lost profits.

 

I am glad that I have really good health coverage from my employer. My employer pays 100% of the premium for me and my daughter. My only out of pocket expenses for healthcare are $10 for office visits, $35 emergency room visits, and $10 for prescriptions, and for the prescriptions, that $10 pays for a 3 month supply of medication.

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I'm an American also and I think you summed it up pretty well Jbarnych. I like the idea of healthcare for all but to be honest, it is a little scary and I am one of the people who supports this, but I am now walking the line. Why am I scared....now that this issue has hit the table and looks like it could very well get passed...the government has been re-visiting some of it's heathcare standards.

 

Take for instance mammograms, it use to be the recommendation for years that women should start getting mammograms at 40. Now the recommendations have all of a sudden changed to age 50 and then retest every other year. They have also stated that there is no need to do self breast examinations and etc. It goes on but it sparked controversy here because why all of a sudden the change? The old recommendation was put in place for a reason and it's working, why change it? Money? I don't know.

 

After that I started to see the other side of the argument and why people in our country are now fearing the healthcare reform. Granted it would mean people who currently have no healthcare would at least have something but now with the government making revisions to such things as mammograms, how would this affect those who are covered under the public option? Would they be turned away if they opted to continue getting their annual mammograms even though they aren't at risk?

 

As far as the money to pay for this, it's already something we as tax payers are already paying. The money is just being reallocated to cover the public-option.

 

The bonus to this and why I support it, insurance companies wont be able to screw over the American people. I've personally had my fair share of debates with my insurance company and been on the losing end more than once and found myself stuck with a large medical bill in the end and I'm sick of it. This reform will help combat that problem.

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I'm an American also and I think you summed it up pretty well Jbarnych. I like the idea of healthcare for all but to be honest, it is a little scary and I am one of the people who supports this, but I am now walking the line. Why am I scared....now that this issue has hit the table and looks like it could very well get passed...the government has been re-visiting some of it's heathcare standards.

 

Take for instance mammograms, it use to be the recommendation for years that women should start getting mammograms at 40. Now the recommendations have all of a sudden changed to age 50 and then retest every other year. They have also stated that there is no need to do self breast examinations and etc. It goes on but it sparked controversy here because why all of a sudden the change? The old recommendation was put in place for a reason and it's working, why change it? Money? I don't know.

 

After that I started to see the other side of the argument and why people in our country are now fearing the public option healthcare. Granted it would mean people who currently have no healthcare would at least have something but now with the government making revisions to such things as mammograms, how would this affect those who are covered under the public option? Would they be turned away if they opted to continue getting their annual mammograms even though they aren't at risk?

 

As far as the money to pay for this, it's already something we as tax payers are already paying. The money is just being reallocated to cover the public-option.

 

The bonus to this and why I support it, insurance companies wont be able to screw over the American people. I've personally had my fair share of debates with my insurance company and been on the losing end more than once and found myself stuck with a large medical bill in the end and I'm sick of it. This reform will help combat that problem.

  I agree with you Shannon,

  The part which scares me is how the new mammogram policy is going to be handled because I knew 2 ladies who died in their early fourties as a result of breast cancer.

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there was a thread here, some months ago , an American started it, i think...

i saw SICKO (M; Moore's) around that time and reacted on things i saw, but some zootops called me ignorant for believing it...

i also read that 'communist-argument' backthen... looks like 'social healthcare' immidiatly gets associated with 'the red danger' by many americans... it's sad, that the land of the free, the big nation talking about the American dream don't have a suitable arrangement for so many citizens... makes me glad i live here!

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