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[quote name='mick james wrote:


Panth']I keep thinking he mentioned Radiohead and how they marketed IN Rainbows. Did he? Cuz if so, he forgot the part where Radiohead were using htat time to shop around for a new label after parting with their old label, but wanted to get In Rainbows out.

 

He seems to have forgotten that. So according to his 'indie rock! ERRRR!!!!" logic, Radiohead are driven by money and greed and are sellouts for doing so too.

So, so true bruv. I love Radiohead, but that was just clever marketing.  Give away a version of your album at the lowest mp3 bitrate, and then charge $100 for a boxset.

 

Nine Inch Nails did it waaaaay better and gave away their last album entirely for free, in a very high quality format, with free artwork etc. the HD DVD audio version was also completley free.  They have also released many multitracks of their songs to remix etc for free.  Radiohead charged to get the multitracks of "Nude" for their remix comp.

 

And Bflorendo, that term must be universal for soundies, as you can't polish a turd here in Oz either!

People tout out the glories of indie rock alot, how they would never get a record deal,  and then when the band does get a deal, they call that band sellouts.  Of course that band becomes big (or fails. for this purpose they don't fail) then that band gets a small following that claims they are the real fans as they've been there since the very beginning (I get to do that if the indie band I'm a fan of in Chicago [i have a couple friends in the band] becomes big.)

 

Unfortunately there's a lot of indie bands that never get signed, and people claim its because they are just too cool for record companies, when in reality the band just isn't that good.

 

 

I'm a big Radiohead fan. I have their albums, the deluxe versions of their albums, their dvds, even a live bootleg, I got In Rainbows disc 1 for free (I thought 80 bucks for a boxset was too much. ironic cuz I spent 60 on U2's No Line box) my wife got me the Rainbows vinyl, and I got disc 2 early this year when they were selling it for cheap (american, not euro). What I liked about how they sold the album from their site was you could choose, it was innovative and new, and the album was actually good, they were honest about trying to find a new label to sign to as well. NiN followed Radiohead in doing the same.  Course later Ghosts and Slip were sold as hard copies in stores to.

 

Real innovation would be, sell the album from the site, mail a pressed copy to the buyer who can download the contents to listen to immediately,  offer a deluxe version for more, and a box for more.

 

That'd be real innovation.

 

Then you get fans like dunlap who tout out how awesomely anti establishment Radiohead is without looking at the real facts. Then throws out the been a fan since 19aught7 card.  If U2 were the greedy corporate machine he and people as whiny as he, were, then U2 would have charged us to watch the Rose Bowl show on youtube.  Tickets to be on the floor wouldn't be 35 bucks, tickets to be in the seats wouldn't be 45 or 55 bucks. Now maybe he got the 'fuck you' seats far far up into the rafters that cost 200 bucks.  THat would be Live Nation's fault, not U2.

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bflorendo']Or a one-hit wonder in the making focusing more on image/bling and lip-syncing/using auto tune...what is that?

 

 

 

 

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Lol sea-islander!!! but great song!

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Meh - I can agree with some of the sentiment to a degree. It is rather ironic that PopMart was a tongue in cheek shot at commercialism and yet U2 seem to have fully embraced the concept during the 2000s.

 

I do admire Radiohead for cutting out the middle men - they are my favourite band - but U2 by their own admission have always needed much more help than some other bands. I guess they're finding it a little more difficult to shake the old music industry paradigm.

 

Your comments about America embracing grunge while U2 were doing PopMart are about 5 years too late I feel - grunge was well on its way out in 1997-98. As for America not paying attention to Pop - they wouldn't have anyway because of the techno/dance experimentations on it. America's not exactly known for embracing dance music, or anything really risky and artistic you know - just look at the same tired r&b, throwaway pop crap that it keeps churning out. And who gives a shit about America anyway? Awful, nasty, shallow bastard of a place if you ask me.

 

NLOTH was a big disappointment for me also and I agree that it feels a bit safe and lazy. I'd like to hear the stuff they did with Rick Rubin and would welcome them working with someone new.

 

As for the suggestion of dropping stadiums - I've only ever seen U2 play in stadiums and every show was awesome (once on PopMart and twice on Vertigo). I would like to see them in arenas also though.

 

No - can't say I agree with pulling Edge's effects. You say Achtung is your favourite album and that Zooropa and Pop were also pretty good - um... have you ever listened to Edge's guitar work on those albums? Keep the effects Edge - in fact - I want more of them!

 

Six week tours only?!?! What planet are you living on? That would hardly be worth their while.

 

Hope the door hits your arse on the way out!

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Meh - I can agree with some of the sentiment to a degree. It is rather ironic that PopMart was a tongue in cheek shot at commercialism and yet U2 seem to have fully embraced the concept during the 2000s.

 

I do admire Radiohead for cutting out the middle men - they are my favourite band - but U2 by their own admission have always needed much more help than some other bands. I guess they're finding it a little more difficult to shake the old music industry paradigm.

 

Your comments about America embracing grunge while U2 were doing PopMart are about 5 years too late I feel - grunge was well on its way out in 1997-98. As for America not paying attention to Pop - they wouldn't have anyway because of the techno/dance experimentations on it. America's not exactly known for embracing dance music, or anything really risky and artistic you know - just look at the same tired r&b, throwaway pop crap that it keeps churning out. And who gives a shit about America anyway? Awful, nasty, shallow bastard of a place if you ask me.

 

NLOTH was a big disappointment for me also and I agree that it feels a bit safe and lazy. I'd like to hear the stuff they did with Rick Rubin and would welcome them working with someone new.

 

As for the suggestion of dropping stadiums - I've only ever seen U2 play in stadiums and every show was awesome (once on PopMart and twice on Vertigo). I would like to see them in arenas also though.

 

No - can't say I agree with pulling Edge's effects. You say Achtung is your favourite album and that Zooropa and Pop were also pretty good - um... have you ever listened to Edge's guitar work on those albums? Keep the effects Edge - in fact - I want more of them!

 

Six week tours only?!?! What planet are you living on? That would hardly be worth their while.

 

Hope the door hits your arse on the way out!

The notion of Edge not using effects is just so redundant.  His entire sound is and always has been based on his experimenting with stomp boxes and what not. I also think people who say "drop the effects" don't really understand how electric guitar works in the first place.

 

Effects just add different textures and tones to the sound much like different paints for an artist.  It's not as if his delay and reverb pedals play the bloody guitar for him!!

 

And with no effects - what is he meant to just play an unplugged strat? Do people not realise that distortion or basic overdrive are effects?

 

What rock band plays nothing but clean unneffected guitar?

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[quote name='mick james wrote:


Fortitude']Meh - I can agree with some of the sentiment to a degree. It is rather ironic that PopMart was a tongue in cheek shot at commercialism and yet U2 seem to have fully embraced the concept during the 2000s.

 

I do admire Radiohead for cutting out the middle men - they are my favourite band - but U2 by their own admission have always needed much more help than some other bands. I guess they're finding it a little more difficult to shake the old music industry paradigm.

 

Your comments about America embracing grunge while U2 were doing PopMart are about 5 years too late I feel - grunge was well on its way out in 1997-98. As for America not paying attention to Pop - they wouldn't have anyway because of the techno/dance experimentations on it. America's not exactly known for embracing dance music, or anything really risky and artistic you know - just look at the same tired r&b, throwaway pop crap that it keeps churning out. And who gives a shit about America anyway? Awful, nasty, shallow bastard of a place if you ask me.

 

NLOTH was a big disappointment for me also and I agree that it feels a bit safe and lazy. I'd like to hear the stuff they did with Rick Rubin and would welcome them working with someone new.

 

As for the suggestion of dropping stadiums - I've only ever seen U2 play in stadiums and every show was awesome (once on PopMart and twice on Vertigo). I would like to see them in arenas also though.

 

No - can't say I agree with pulling Edge's effects. You say Achtung is your favourite album and that Zooropa and Pop were also pretty good - um... have you ever listened to Edge's guitar work on those albums? Keep the effects Edge - in fact - I want more of them!

 

Six week tours only?!?! What planet are you living on? That would hardly be worth their while.

 

Hope the door hits your arse on the way out!

The notion of Edge not using effects is just so redundant.  His entire sound is and always has been based on his experimenting with stomp boxes and what not. I also think people who say "drop the effects" don't really understand how electric guitar works in the first place.

 

Effects just add different textures and tones to the sound much like different paints for an artist.  It's not as if his delay and reverb pedals play the bloody guitar for him!!

 

And with no effects - what is he meant to just play an unplugged strat? Do people not realise that distortion or basic overdrive are effects?

 

What rock band plays nothing but clean unneffected guitar?

 

I guess Dunlop wants them to sound like any other band out there...the usual Strat or Les Paul going straight to a Fender Twin, or a Marshall stack....how boring!..and then have Bono, The Edge, and Adam play the same riff...how innovative! Let's hear Even Better Than the Real Thing or Mofo w/out FX...might as well come up with an unplugged version. While you're at it, how bout tell Radiohead, Tom Morello, Steve Vai and John Frusciante to stop using FX too.

 

The Rick Rubin difference: U2 usually experiments, and takes days/weeks/months to come up with the final arrangement of a song...and they record as they go along. With Rick Rubin, he wants U2 to record, when all the songs are already arranged....just like he did with Metallica...it took them some time to adjust to it. Should be interesting though.

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Fortitude wrote

 

 

No - can't say I agree with pulling Edge's effects. You say Achtung is your favourite album and that Zooropa and Pop were also pretty good - um... have you ever listened to Edge's guitar work on those albums? Keep the effects Edge - in fact - I want more of them!

 

The notion of Edge not using effects is just so redundant.  His entire sound is and always has been based on his experimenting with stomp boxes and what not. I also think people who say "drop the effects" don't really understand how electric guitar works in the first place.

 

Effects just add different textures and tones to the sound much like different paints for an artist.  It's not as if his delay and reverb pedals play the bloody guitar for him!!

 

And with no effects - what is he meant to just play an unplugged strat? Do people not realise that distortion or basic overdrive are effects?

 

What rock band plays nothing but clean unneffected guitar?

 

I guess Dunlop wants them to sound like any other band out there...the usual Strat or Les Paul going straight to a Fender Twin, or a Marshall stack....how boring!..and then have Bono, The Edge, and Adam play the same riff...how innovative! Let's hear Even Better Than the Real Thing or Mofo w/out FX...might as well come up with an unplugged version. While you're at it, how bout tell Radiohead, Tom Morello, Steve Vai and John Frusciante to stop using FX too.

 

 

And dont forget to tell bono to loose the attitude and get the lyrics right for a change......tongue.gif just kidding, love it when he messes up... just wouldn't be bono or u2 now, would it?!

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[quote name='ceallach67 wrote:


jojes']I really don't understand why people who don't like U2 anymore even still bother to pay the 50USD for this website ???

This is the free side of the board and not the subscribers side.  You don't have to pay anything to join and post here.

 

Just thought I'd mention that.  smile.gif

ok, you're right, didn't pay any attention to the part of the board the OP posted in.

I wasn't pointing at anyone in particular, it was just a general remark.  There were a lot of U2-bashing posts in other sections of the board before.

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