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Okay - probably should just bite my tongue as usual - I'm always getting myself in trouble (not necessarily on the internet but in real life) for running my mouth off but I can't help myself right now.

 

So - a couple of things - one - I have issues with mods closing threads because you don't like the discussion or you are bored of it. Baja - you said in one thread downstairs something like you don't have a problem with people expressing their opinions in a non-offensive way and then closed the thread where people had been doing that (yes the thread title was rude but you had let it run for a long time and at the time of closing I don't seem to remember it being particularly bad) - so what is it about this thread that warrants it being closed - it hasn't become particularly offensive - most people are coming in here and expressing their opinions in a rational way - just because you have gotten sick of the subject matter or feel that the discussion is going around in circles doesn't really seem a good reason to close a thread.

 

Two - in the analogy above you are the bartender not the owner - just your comment about people need to give you respect or they can leave - I understand that you shouldn't have to put up with people being rude to you and stuff but that comment is kind of what led me to open that thread downstairs - it comes across as very 'it's my way or the highway' and to be fair this is the band's website not yours (as much as we appreciate the work you do!) and when people come here as fans their participation here shouldn't necessarily be dependent on them getting along with you (once again - I completely agree that being offensive to you or any of the other mods should not be tolerated) - it's just that this comment comes across like that to me.

 

Anyway - I really should probably just keep out of it but I'm bored at work so I couldn't help weighing in :P

Agreed Emily. My two cents for all its worth.  Yes can appreciate the mods have a job to do, and on a site like this rules are rules.  However most people here are expressing an opinion, and unless someone goes off on one, or heaven forbid uses bad language again, I really don't see the point of closing the thread.

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Totally agree with you Emily.

 

Iv been a member here for a few years and have never pushed the boundaries so far that its warranted a "warning" or more, and i don't intend to start now. I would always be the person to ere on the side of cautious and diplomacy But i have taken offense to a couple of things posted the last few days, not by a member but by the Mods themselves. As you said above ,the Mods are the Bartenders NOT the Owners but yet not 1 but 2 of them have stated that they would have no problem in telling even the members of U2, the Owners, what to do.

Surely thats power gone mad.

-->  Well, to stretch the "bartender" analogy a bit more:  In an actual bar, where booze is served, the bartender would in fact be responsible for serving someone who's drunk (or a known habitual drunkard) who then goes out and kills someone in an accident, etc.  I'm sure that the owner(s) of the establishment would get charged/sued as well, but the bartender has to act as the gatekeeper.  

 

--> The mighty "7 words" (and then some) aren't really the issue here, nor is the fact that the members of U2 can swear like drunken sailors when they want to.   I've used four-lettered lingo in posts over the years, and didn't get canned. And Bono's f-bomb in that video clip is (a) nearly inaudible, and (B) more prankish than hostile (ditto for the rigid digit, though that schtick is already getting a bit old, Bono...)

 

--> Context and direction are important. Compare these two statements: 

 

"Life's a bitch and then you die."

 

  versus

 

  "You're a bitch and I hope you die."

 

 

The use of "bitch" isn't the issue, but the sentiments expressed, the fact that someone is being singled out for abuse, etc. 

 

--> I've been on U2-related discussion lists/sites going back to 1994, and I've seen some very heavy-handed and just plain bad moderation on various fan-run sites. Including political censorship; never mind the 7 words, fans like myself were banned because of opinions expressed--and we're talking non-abusive, fact-checked, informed opinions, but it was material that clashed with those mods' "received wisdom" (or ignorance, as it turns out), so fans like me got banned or harassed by creepity anonymous moderators until I just refused to post anymore.  (This after they had deleted or mauled both original posts and news articles I had re-posted.)  Bah.  

 

--> Of course, having been a Fenian bitch most of my life, I'm used to more robust treatment online:  verbal abuse, death threats, that sort of thing (on-list and by email).  Did any of the mods on those old U2-fan lists step in to moderate or sort things out?  Of course not. Very one-sided way of looking at things. This site, on the other hand, hasn't fallen into that trap, and should be commended for that.  (I hope I don't hex things by saying this, btw!)  But, anyways, those of you who are upset over a few folks getting spanked for cussing and flaming...trust me, things could be worse. 

 

-->  Tough call:  Having been the target of abuse and censorship, I'd prefer the mods err on the side of tolerance.  But I've also seen lists degenerate into idiocy because of bad/biased moderation.   I guess it loops back to that bartender analogy:  cutting someone off when they've had too much, or 86'ing them from the bar because they won't take 'no' for an answer, is not the same as calling for complete Prohibition to be reinstated. Know your limits. 

 

-- eaplatt

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PS The commentary for this thread seems to be a rehash of people trying to justify/excuse one persons behavior, so unless there is something new, this will be closed soon.

 

And I couldn't care less if that person never returns, I"ve had him on ignore for a long while now for various reasons.  Have to agree, it's people making excuses for someone's behaviour (If I acted that way no one would do that, and I've been worse) he adds nothing of any value, I say close it. Your admin its your perogative.

As an aside, I think you do a good job as a moderator and you shouldn't get slagged on as much as you do (like on this discussion)

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[quote name='Steved1998 wrote:


Panth wrote:

Steved1998']Jesus.. this place is turning into the Third Reich. I'm glad I didn't renew..

Lol cuz I used this mindset to slag off on some people here a page or two back.

So you can't cuss up a storm, deal with it or foad.
Telling someone to 'foad' will get you banned.. better be careful

 

It was integral to the sentence, and abbreviated. You'd have something there if I spelled it out.

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Okay - probably should just bite my tongue as usual - I'm always getting myself in trouble (not necessarily on the internet but in real life) for running my mouth off but I can't help myself right now.

 

So - a couple of things - one - I have issues with mods closing threads because you don't like the discussion or you are bored of it. Baja - you said in one thread downstairs something like you don't have a problem with people expressing their opinions in a non-offensive way and then closed the thread where people had been doing that (yes the thread title was rude but you had let it run for a long time and at the time of closing I don't seem to remember it being particularly bad) - so what is it about this thread that warrants it being closed - it hasn't become particularly offensive - most people are coming in here and expressing their opinions in a rational way - just because you have gotten sick of the subject matter or feel that the discussion is going around in circles doesn't really seem a good reason to close a thread.

 

Two - in the analogy above you are the bartender not the owner - just your comment about people need to give you respect or they can leave - I understand that you shouldn't have to put up with people being rude to you and stuff but that comment is kind of what led me to open that thread downstairs - it comes across as very 'it's my way or the highway' and to be fair this is the band's website not yours (as much as we appreciate the work you do!) and when people come here as fans their participation here shouldn't necessarily be dependent on them getting along with you (once again - I completely agree that being offensive to you or any of the other mods should not be tolerated) - it's just that this comment comes across like that to me.

 

Anyway - I really should probably just keep out of it but I'm bored at work so I couldn't help weighing in :P

This discussion is very interesting. This applies to life outside of internet too. I read all the comments everyday even when I haven't made my opinion ( I only mentioned how I feel about the guy ).
I don't see the need of closing the thread, there's no offensive behavior here and the discussion is very rich, please mods don't close the thread. Is a good thing to have a place where we can exchange ideas. And this discussion is very important in my opinion.

 

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[quote name='cathkel wrote:


Voxare']Okay - probably should just bite my tongue as usual - I'm always getting myself in trouble (not necessarily on the internet but in real life) for running my mouth off but I can't help myself right now.

 

So - a couple of things - one - I have issues with mods closing threads because you don't like the discussion or you are bored of it. Baja - you said in one thread downstairs something like you don't have a problem with people expressing their opinions in a non-offensive way and then closed the thread where people had been doing that (yes the thread title was rude but you had let it run for a long time and at the time of closing I don't seem to remember it being particularly bad) - so what is it about this thread that warrants it being closed - it hasn't become particularly offensive - most people are coming in here and expressing their opinions in a rational way - just because you have gotten sick of the subject matter or feel that the discussion is going around in circles doesn't really seem a good reason to close a thread.

 

Two - in the analogy above you are the bartender not the owner - just your comment about people need to give you respect or they can leave - I understand that you shouldn't have to put up with people being rude to you and stuff but that comment is kind of what led me to open that thread downstairs - it comes across as very 'it's my way or the highway' and to be fair this is the band's website not yours (as much as we appreciate the work you do!) and when people come here as fans their participation here shouldn't necessarily be dependent on them getting along with you (once again - I completely agree that being offensive to you or any of the other mods should not be tolerated) - it's just that this comment comes across like that to me.

 

Anyway - I really should probably just keep out of it but I'm bored at work so I couldn't help weighing in
:P

Totally agree with you Emily.

 

Iv been a member here for a few years and have never pushed the boundaries so far that its warranted a "warning" or more, and i don't intend to start now. I would always be the person to ere on the side of cautious and diplomacy But i have taken offense to a couple of things posted the last few days, not by a member but by the Mods themselves. As you said above ,the Mods are the Bartenders NOT the Owners but yet not 1 but 2 of them have stated that they would have no problem in telling even the members of U2, the Owners, what to do.

Surely thats power gone mad.

Nicely said, Marie.  Now when a Mod is tired of a thread because one's opinion may differ or they are just bored with the subject matter, they close it, move it, delete it....INSANE.  And Mods, thank you for volunteering your time to "moderate"...but that is all it is...so get off the power trip mentality, please.

 

And I really think some of the Mods need to get tougher skin.  If that pm by Gibbo was abusive or threatening, we are all in some trouble and better sleep with one eye open - LOL! 

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Bajagirl']Jake

 

Mick and his thread had nothing to do with the suspension. Gibbo was suspended for disrespect and cursing ME out when warned to tone it down due to OTHER posts he made.  That is an automatic 1 month, No appeal no discussion. Have absolutely no clue what Mick has to do with this or why you are even mentioning it.

 

You get 3 official warnings, then suspensions start and their time increments, 24hrs, 1 week, 2 weeks, etc., . Unless you do something egregious (porn for example, threatening violence). Usually before warning we will post notes on the threads or send pm's as a warning have to be official recorded. I can only post so many notes, if people just wont listen then they get a warning.

 

As for your LOYAL customer reference lets see it from the other side. There is this LOYAL bartender, who has been there forever, and knows who gets rowdy and who doesnt, who lets a LOT of thing slide, and who believes that asking nicely for someone to do something is better than getting the bouncer to kick them out. But the problem is that some of the customers are trying to take advantage of the LOYAL bartender and think they can do whatever they want. Some even are argumentative, some are rude, and some are outright disrespectful. So then, how long does the bartender take it? Does the bartender allow one person to be disrespectful because they are LOYAL to the bar? And some not because they are new? Or does the bartender tell whomever crosses the line the moment they do it that their behavior is unacceptable and to leave, so that the rest of the community can drink in peace. And what happens when that LOYAL customer keeps coming back and pushing the limits? Does the bartender and the rest of the community just take it?

 

Sorry Jake, but Gibbo did not admit to his actions, and told folks he got banned for saying F***, instead of that he got suspended for being rude to me. And guess what happened? All his friends came on over and were also rude. And some got suspended for that. He only admitted what he did when I posted this thread, and only then did people go," Hmmm seem we don't have all the information." And then he kept coming back to cause trouble using aliases, and lets not forget the lovely things that were said about/to me before everything came out.

 

You wan to talk LOYALTY, Ive been here with you all thorugh thick and thin, anytime there has been a problem with ANY of you, I have worked hard to solve it. CD's that are missing, tech issues, account issues, presale issues, posting issues, code issues, renewal issues, etc etc. I've dealt with crap you have no clue about so you all can have a better experience, and wanna know something....its.not.my.job.
Im only supposed to moderate. But I feel frustrated that these things happen so I took it upon myself to help you all, and no one can say that I ever refused to help or that I was not a good advocate for the fan community. And it is also not my job to tolerate the shenanigans of people that are drunk or have poor impulse control.

The only thing I want is to be treated with respect and courtesy by everyone, and sorry,  LOYAL customers don't get a pass, no one gets a pass on that one. And if someone cant (or wont) give me that, then they can leave
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Any other comments?

 

Baja

 

PS The commentary for this thread seems to be a rehash of people trying to justify/excuse one persons behavior, so unless there is something new, this will be closed soon.

 

A couple of points (cos its Thursday morning and I can't be bothered to get ready for work yet!).  He told people he was banned  for a week for saying f*ck and later that he was banned for a month for what was apparently being abusive to you.  What one person considers to be abusive though is not necessarily what another person thinks.  I'm not for one minute suggesting that anyone should have to take abuse from anyone else, but surely its subjective what classes as abuse, and I think the problem lies with alot of people just not thinking that what Gibbo said in a PM to you was particularly offensive.  

'i've replied on fb you are goin a long way to losin u2.com but nevermind,fuckin load of bollocks,empty shell of a place this website will soon be mark my words. Nice knowin yer  
 btw.close the door on the way out'
A bit stupid perhaps... but abusive?  I don't particularly think so and a whole heap of other people don't particularly think so either.... just a fan having had one too many and having a bit of a rant.
As for closing this discussion... Is that really necessary either?  You made a post about why he was suspended and people are discussing it and putting forward their opinions (just like you have done yours).  Of course people are going to defend him and try to put across his side of what happened - its what people do!
 
I agree! I don't see how the above that was posted in a PM was abusive but then again when someone says they were cursed out on fb as well when it was clear that even if  fuck was used, it wasn't directed at them. Saying that something is fucked up as opposed to saying you're fucked up obviously have two different meanings...but then again there might a very small minority that think it's one and the same.

 

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[quote name='Panth wrote:


Steved1998 wrote:

Panth']

Lol cuz I used this mindset to slag off on some people here a page or two back.

So you can't cuss up a storm, deal with it or foad.

Telling someone to 'foad' will get you banned.. better be careful

 

It was integral to the sentence, and abbreviated. You'd have something there if I spelled it out.

 

Whether or not it's abbreviated the meaning is still the same no matter how you try to justify it.  I can't see how telling me to fuck off and die is integral to your sentence..

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Panth wrote:

Steved1998']Telling someone to 'foad' will get you banned.. better be careful

 

It was integral to the sentence, and abbreviated. You'd have something there if I spelled it out.

 

Whether or not it's abbreviated the meaning is still the same no matter how you try to justify it.  I can't see how telling me to fuck off and die is integral to your sentence..

 

If you are being a spaz about some bad language then you can foad. It was pretty clear, I don't do hidden meanings.

Course I can just say if telling people to not swear all the time and then go after the mods because of that rule seems like a thing that's okay as long as the person is part of the popular crowd, then that is totally unfair and wrong and they aren't doing they're jobs.

It's easier to just say FOAD, I'm not spelling it out, I"m abbreviating it, no one sees offensive language, just an abbreviation, and not everyone will get it. 

But you did. Lucky you.

 

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