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Jake

 

Mick and his thread had nothing to do with the suspension. Gibbo was suspended for disrespect and cursing ME out when warned to tone it down due to OTHER posts he made.  That is an automatic 1 month, No appeal no discussion. Have absolutely no clue what Mick has to do with this or why you are even mentioning it.

 

You get 3 official warnings, then suspensions start and their time increments, 24hrs, 1 week, 2 weeks, etc., . Unless you do something egregious (porn for example, threatening violence). Usually before warning we will post notes on the threads or send pm's as a warning have to be official recorded. I can only post so many notes, if people just wont listen then they get a warning.

 

As for your LOYAL customer reference lets see it from the other side. There is this LOYAL bartender, who has been there forever, and knows who gets rowdy and who doesnt, who lets a LOT of thing slide, and who believes that asking nicely for someone to do something is better than getting the bouncer to kick them out. But the problem is that some of the customers are trying to take advantage of the LOYAL bartender and think they can do whatever they want. Some even are argumentative, some are rude, and some are outright disrespectful. So then, how long does the bartender take it? Does the bartender allow one person to be disrespectful because they are LOYAL to the bar? And some not because they are new? Or does the bartender tell whomever crosses the line the moment they do it that their behavior is unacceptable and to leave, so that the rest of the community can drink in peace. And what happens when that LOYAL customer keeps coming back and pushing the limits? Does the bartender and the rest of the community just take it?

 

Sorry Jake, but Gibbo did not admit to his actions, and told folks he got banned for saying F***, instead of that he got suspended for being rude to me. And guess what happened? All his friends came on over and were also rude. And some got suspended for that. He only admitted what he did when I posted this thread, and only then did people go," Hmmm seem we don't have all the information." And then he kept coming back to cause trouble using aliases, and lets not forget the lovely things that were said about/to me before everything came out.

 

You wan to talk LOYALTY, Ive been here with you all thorugh thick and thin, anytime there has been a problem with ANY of you, I have worked hard to solve it. CD's that are missing, tech issues, account issues, presale issues, posting issues, code issues, renewal issues, etc etc. I've dealt with crap you have no clue about so you all can have a better experience, and wanna know something....its.not.my.job. Im only supposed to moderate. But I feel frustrated that these things happen so I took it upon myself to help you all, and no one can say that I ever refused to help or that I was not a good advocate for the fan community. And it is also not my job to tolerate the shenanigans of people that are drunk or have poor impulse control.

The only thing I want is to be treated with respect and courtesy by everyone, and sorry,  LOYAL customers don't get a pass, no one gets a pass on that one. And if someone cant (or wont) give me that, then they can leave.

Any other comments?

 

Baja

 

PS The commentary for this thread seems to be a rehash of people trying to justify/excuse one persons behavior, so unless there is something new, this will be closed soon.

 

Can you toot your horn a bit more? That's great you've helped others while it.wasn't.your.job. I'm pretty sure you receive perks also for your hard work. I mean anyone who does this for zilch would be considered insane for doing so. 

But let's go back to the bottom line. The FB post was gibbo saying he's done with you as a friend. The pm that we know was sent was NOT directed to you. It was mostly directed at the site as a whole. Unless there was more than one message??
Were there other pm's? If so, please share so maybe we can tell him and maybe his foggy brown out will disappear. 
If there were more than one pm replies and these messages were directed entirely at you filled with profanity, feel free to pm me those comments and I will eat crow . 

You posted that he made crude posts in Mick James hotseat thread you deleted. Correct? THAT's what I meant. 

You ignored this question in my previous post. How do you feel that some ppl didn't renew because of the heavy moderation  by yours and Big Waves hand? THAT, thrown in the mix with duals, no exclusive content, no chat rooms etc etc. I suggest that you moderators should tone it down a little bit. U2.con can't afford to lose established members for revenue year after year because of heavy moderation thrown in. Don't ya think?

The Baja I knew used to be nice than the Baja I know now! I just recently sent you a pm reply and said you were a "good zoo mom" for letting me know a post of mine was merged.. Your reply.. "Yes, I am!" it came across arrogant and cocky. I've given you kudos in the past seven years with a nice "thank you" reply from you. That's the Baja I used to like. There's a difference in you now that I and others don't find appealing at all. I'd rather not post the negative comments due to profanity. This has been discussed long before this issue.
I'm not trying to be disrespectful, I'm actually trying to let you know how ppl view and feel about you now. Trying to help. You might find this as a disrespectful bashing. It isn't! you should be grown up enuff to look at this as constructive criticism. Bottom line, a lot of ppl who thought you were cool, think something else now. 

You're the one that started this thread for civil discussion, yet want to close it now due to rehashing and ppl coming his defense?? I view it like you opened up a messy can of worms, and now you don't want to be crawled upon.
But you got the power Ms B, so do what you deem fit. 

I will say though, that if some former members see you in the ga lines this summer, don't be surprised by tongue lashing and no one giving up their bar stool for you. I will give you mine though, so you can have a chance to unwind and have some cocktails and be the loyal obnoxious drunk for the night. 

I really believe that the only way to squash this is BOTH parties apologize to each other. But that remains to be seen..  

 

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Jake

 

Mick and his thread had nothing to do with the suspension. Gibbo was suspended for disrespect and cursing ME out when warned to tone it down due to OTHER posts he made.  That is an automatic 1 month, No appeal no discussion. Have absolutely no clue what Mick has to do with this or why you are even mentioning it.

 

You get 3 official warnings, then suspensions start and their time increments, 24hrs, 1 week, 2 weeks, etc., . Unless you do something egregious (porn for example, threatening violence). Usually before warning we will post notes on the threads or send pm's as a warning have to be official recorded. I can only post so many notes, if people just wont listen then they get a warning.

 

As for your LOYAL customer reference lets see it from the other side. There is this LOYAL bartender, who has been there forever, and knows who gets rowdy and who doesnt, who lets a LOT of thing slide, and who believes that asking nicely for someone to do something is better than getting the bouncer to kick them out. But the problem is that some of the customers are trying to take advantage of the LOYAL bartender and think they can do whatever they want. Some even are argumentative, some are rude, and some are outright disrespectful. So then, how long does the bartender take it? Does the bartender allow one person to be disrespectful because they are LOYAL to the bar? And some not because they are new? Or does the bartender tell whomever crosses the line the moment they do it that their behavior is unacceptable and to leave, so that the rest of the community can drink in peace. And what happens when that LOYAL customer keeps coming back and pushing the limits? Does the bartender and the rest of the community just take it?

 

Sorry Jake, but Gibbo did not admit to his actions, and told folks he got banned for saying F***, instead of that he got suspended for being rude to me. And guess what happened? All his friends came on over and were also rude. And some got suspended for that. He only admitted what he did when I posted this thread, and only then did people go," Hmmm seem we don't have all the information." And then he kept coming back to cause trouble using aliases, and lets not forget the lovely things that were said about/to me before everything came out.

 

You wan to talk LOYALTY, Ive been here with you all thorugh thick and thin, anytime there has been a problem with ANY of you, I have worked hard to solve it. CD's that are missing, tech issues, account issues, presale issues, posting issues, code issues, renewal issues, etc etc. I've dealt with crap you have no clue about so you all can have a better experience, and wanna know something....its.not.my.job. Im only supposed to moderate. But I feel frustrated that these things happen so I took it upon myself to help you all, and no one can say that I ever refused to help or that I was not a good advocate for the fan community. And it is also not my job to tolerate the shenanigans of people that are drunk or have poor impulse control.

The only thing I want is to be treated with respect and courtesy by everyone, and sorry,  LOYAL customers don't get a pass, no one gets a pass on that one. And if someone cant (or wont) give me that, then they can leave.

Any other comments?

 

Baja

 

PS The commentary for this thread seems to be a rehash of people trying to justify/excuse one persons behavior, so unless there is something new, this will be closed soon.

 

Can you toot your horn a bit more? That's great you've helped others while it.wasn't.your.job. I'm pretty sure you receive perks also for your hard work. I mean anyone who does this for zilch would be considered insane for doing so. 

But let's go back to the bottom line. The FB post was gibbo saying he's done with you as a friend. The pm that we know was sent was NOT directed to you. It was mostly directed at the site as a whole. Unless there was more than one message??
Were there other pm's? If so, please share so maybe we can tell him and maybe his foggy brown out will disappear. 
If there were more than one pm replies and these messages were directed entirely at you filled with profanity, feel free to pm me those comments and I will eat crow . 

You posted that he made crude posts in Mick James hotseat thread you deleted. Correct? THAT's what I meant. 

You ignored this question in my previous post. How do you feel that some ppl didn't renew because of the heavy moderation  by yours and Big Waves hand? THAT, thrown in the mix with duals, no exclusive content, no chat rooms etc etc. I suggest that you moderators should tone it down a little bit. U2.con can't afford to lose established members for revenue year after year because of heavy moderation thrown in. Don't ya think?

The Baja I knew used to be nice than the Baja I know now! I just recently sent you a pm reply and said you were a "good zoo mom" for letting me know a post of mine was merged.. Your reply.. "Yes, I am!" it came across arrogant and cocky. I've given you kudos in the past seven years with a nice "thank you" reply from you. That's the Baja I used to like. There's a difference in you now that I and others don't find appealing at all. I'd rather not post the negative comments due to profanity. This has been discussed long before this issue.
I'm not trying to be disrespectful, I'm actually trying to let you know how ppl view and feel about you now. Trying to help. You might find this as a disrespectful bashing. It isn't! you should be grown up enuff to look at this as constructive criticism. Bottom line, a lot of ppl who thought you were cool, think something else now. 

You're the one that started this thread for civil discussion, yet want to close it now due to rehashing and ppl coming his defense?? I view it like you opened up a messy can of worms, and now you don't want to be crawled upon.
But you got the power Ms B, so do what you deem fit. 

I will say though, that if some former members see you in the ga lines this summer, don't be surprised by tongue lashing and no one giving up their bar stool for you. I will give you mine though, so you can have a chance to unwind and have some cocktails and be the loyal obnoxious drunk for the night. 

I really believe that the only way to squash this is BOTH parties apologize to each other. But that remains to be seen..  

 

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Jake

 

Mick and his thread had nothing to do with the suspension. Gibbo was suspended for disrespect and cursing ME out when warned to tone it down due to OTHER posts he made.  That is an automatic 1 month, No appeal no discussion. Have absolutely no clue what Mick has to do with this or why you are even mentioning it.

 

You get 3 official warnings, then suspensions start and their time increments, 24hrs, 1 week, 2 weeks, etc., . Unless you do something egregious (porn for example, threatening violence). Usually before warning we will post notes on the threads or send pm's as a warning have to be official recorded. I can only post so many notes, if people just wont listen then they get a warning.

 

As for your LOYAL customer reference lets see it from the other side. There is this LOYAL bartender, who has been there forever, and knows who gets rowdy and who doesnt, who lets a LOT of thing slide, and who believes that asking nicely for someone to do something is better than getting the bouncer to kick them out. But the problem is that some of the customers are trying to take advantage of the LOYAL bartender and think they can do whatever they want. Some even are argumentative, some are rude, and some are outright disrespectful. So then, how long does the bartender take it? Does the bartender allow one person to be disrespectful because they are LOYAL to the bar? And some not because they are new? Or does the bartender tell whomever crosses the line the moment they do it that their behavior is unacceptable and to leave, so that the rest of the community can drink in peace. And what happens when that LOYAL customer keeps coming back and pushing the limits? Does the bartender and the rest of the community just take it?

 

Sorry Jake, but Gibbo did not admit to his actions, and told folks he got banned for saying F***, instead of that he got suspended for being rude to me. And guess what happened? All his friends came on over and were also rude. And some got suspended for that. He only admitted what he did when I posted this thread, and only then did people go," Hmmm seem we don't have all the information." And then he kept coming back to cause trouble using aliases, and lets not forget the lovely things that were said about/to me before everything came out.

 

You wan to talk LOYALTY, Ive been here with you all thorugh thick and thin, anytime there has been a problem with ANY of you, I have worked hard to solve it. CD's that are missing, tech issues, account issues, presale issues, posting issues, code issues, renewal issues, etc etc. I've dealt with crap you have no clue about so you all can have a better experience, and wanna know something....its.not.my.job. Im only supposed to moderate. But I feel frustrated that these things happen so I took it upon myself to help you all, and no one can say that I ever refused to help or that I was not a good advocate for the fan community. And it is also not my job to tolerate the shenanigans of people that are drunk or have poor impulse control.

The only thing I want is to be treated with respect and courtesy by everyone, and sorry,  LOYAL customers don't get a pass, no one gets a pass on that one. And if someone cant (or wont) give me that, then they can leave.

Any other comments?

 

Baja

 

PS The commentary for this thread seems to be a rehash of people trying to justify/excuse one persons behavior, so unless there is something new, this will be closed soon.

 

Can you toot your horn a bit more? That's great you've helped others while it.wasn't.your.job. I'm pretty sure you receive perks also for your hard work. I mean anyone who does this for zilch would be considered insane for doing so. 

But let's go back to the bottom line. The FB post was gibbo saying he's done with you as a friend. The pm that we know was sent was NOT directed to you. It was mostly directed at the site as a whole. Unless there was more than one message??
Were there other pm's? If so, please share so maybe we can tell him and maybe his foggy brown out will disappear. 
If there were more than one pm replies and these messages were directed entirely at you filled with profanity, feel free to pm me those comments and I will eat crow . 

You posted that he made crude posts in Mick James hotseat thread you deleted. Correct? THAT's what I meant. 

You ignored this question in my previous post. How do you feel that some ppl didn't renew because of the heavy moderation  by yours and Big Waves hand? THAT, thrown in the mix with duals, no exclusive content, no chat rooms etc etc. I suggest that you moderators should tone it down a little bit. U2.con can't afford to lose established members for revenue year after year because of heavy moderation thrown in. Don't ya think?

The Baja I knew used to be nice than the Baja I know now! I just recently sent you a pm reply and said you were a "good zoo mom" for letting me know a post of mine was merged.. Your reply.. "Yes, I am!" it came across arrogant and cocky. I've given you kudos in the past seven years with a nice "thank you" reply from you. That's the Baja I used to like. There's a difference in you now that I and others don't find appealing at all. I'd rather not post the negative comments due to profanity. This has been discussed long before this issue.
I'm not trying to be disrespectful, I'm actually trying to let you know how ppl view and feel about you now. Trying to help. You might find this as a disrespectful bashing. It isn't! you should be grown up enuff to look at this as constructive criticism. Bottom line, a lot of ppl who thought you were cool, think something else now. 

You're the one that started this thread for civil discussion, yet want to close it now due to rehashing and ppl coming his defense?? I view it like you opened up a messy can of worms, and now you don't want to be crawled upon.
But you got the power Ms B, so do what you deem fit. 

I will say though, that if some former members see you in the ga lines this summer, don't be surprised by tongue lashing and no one giving up their bar stool for you. I will give you mine though, so you can have a chance to unwind and have some cocktails and be the loyal obnoxious drunk for the night. 

I really believe that the only way to squash this is BOTH parties apologize to each other. But that remains to be seen..  

 

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Hi guys

 

I just wanted to say, I never got to see what Gibbo had posted in my thread, but like Jake said, I know Gibbo well enough to take a joke off the fella.

 

That being said I think it's hard for us to get used to the fact that this is a corporate website and is a bit less free than the so-called good old days.

 

But so be it.

 

Maybe this is a wank, but I don't care,

 

I'm inviting everyone who has left here for whatever reason, or has been suspended or recieved a wrist slap etc etc to let bygones be bygones and come back here and post again.

 

Lets let the mods do their jobs - ie. enforce the somewhat boring rules of our heroes Livenation,

and just have the fun conversations we used to.

 

Instead of telling our trolls to feck off, let's wind them up in civilized ways....  like pour boiling hot tea on their crotches and smack em about the head with cucumber sandwiches.

 

Either way, we can have some care free fun in here, or we can keep being pissed off for about the third year in a row.

 

It's up to us now.

Blessed are the peacemakers...

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[quote name='Steved1998 wrote:


Panth wrote:

Steved1998']Telling someone to 'foad' will get you banned.. better be careful

 

It was integral to the sentence, and abbreviated. You'd have something there if I spelled it out.

 

Whether or not it's abbreviated the meaning is still the same no matter how you try to justify it.  I can't see how telling me to fuck off and die is integral to your sentence..

 

 

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Bajagirl']Jake

 

Mick and his thread had nothing to do with the suspension. Gibbo was suspended for disrespect and cursing ME out when warned to tone it down due to OTHER posts he made.  That is an automatic 1 month, No appeal no discussion. Have absolutely no clue what Mick has to do with this or why you are even mentioning it.

 

You get 3 official warnings, then suspensions start and their time increments, 24hrs, 1 week, 2 weeks, etc., . Unless you do something egregious (porn for example, threatening violence). Usually before warning we will post notes on the threads or send pm's as a warning have to be official recorded. I can only post so many notes, if people just wont listen then they get a warning.

 

As for your LOYAL customer reference lets see it from the other side. There is this LOYAL bartender, who has been there forever, and knows who gets rowdy and who doesnt, who lets a LOT of thing slide, and who believes that asking nicely for someone to do something is better than getting the bouncer to kick them out. But the problem is that some of the customers are trying to take advantage of the LOYAL bartender and think they can do whatever they want. Some even are argumentative, some are rude, and some are outright disrespectful. So then, how long does the bartender take it? Does the bartender allow one person to be disrespectful because they are LOYAL to the bar? And some not because they are new? Or does the bartender tell whomever crosses the line the moment they do it that their behavior is unacceptable and to leave, so that the rest of the community can drink in peace. And what happens when that LOYAL customer keeps coming back and pushing the limits? Does the bartender and the rest of the community just take it?

 

Sorry Jake, but Gibbo did not admit to his actions, and told folks he got banned for saying F***, instead of that he got suspended for being rude to me. And guess what happened? All his friends came on over and were also rude. And some got suspended for that. He only admitted what he did when I posted this thread, and only then did people go," Hmmm seem we don't have all the information." And then he kept coming back to cause trouble using aliases, and lets not forget the lovely things that were said about/to me before everything came out.

 

You wan to talk LOYALTY, Ive been here with you all thorugh thick and thin, anytime there has been a problem with ANY of you, I have worked hard to solve it. CD's that are missing, tech issues, account issues, presale issues, posting issues, code issues, renewal issues, etc etc. I've dealt with crap you have no clue about so you all can have a better experience, and wanna know something....its.not.my.job.
Im only supposed to moderate. But I feel frustrated that these things happen so I took it upon myself to help you all, and no one can say that I ever refused to help or that I was not a good advocate for the fan community. And it is also not my job to tolerate the shenanigans of people that are drunk or have poor impulse control.

The only thing I want is to be treated with respect and courtesy by everyone, and sorry,  LOYAL customers don't get a pass, no one gets a pass on that one. And if someone cant (or wont) give me that, then they can leave
.

Any other comments?

 

Baja

 

PS The commentary for this thread seems to be a rehash of people trying to justify/excuse one persons behavior, so unless there is something new, this will be closed soon.

 

Can you toot your horn a bit more? That's great you've helped others while it.wasn't.your.job. I'm pretty sure you receive perks also for your hard work. I mean anyone who does this for zilch would be considered insane for doing so. 

But let's go back to the bottom line. The FB post was gibbo saying he's done with you as a friend. The pm that we know was sent was NOT directed to you. It was mostly directed at the site as a whole. Unless there was more than one message??
Were there other pm's? If so, please share so maybe we can tell him and maybe his foggy brown out will disappear. 
If there were more than one pm replies and these messages were directed entirely at you filled with profanity, feel free to pm me those comments and I will eat crow . 

You posted that he made crude posts in Mick James hotseat thread you deleted. Correct? THAT's what I meant. 

You ignored this question in my previous post. How do you feel that some ppl didn't renew because of the heavy moderation  by yours and Big Waves hand? THAT, thrown in the mix with duals, no exclusive content, no chat rooms etc etc. I suggest that you moderators should tone it down a little bit. U2.con can't afford to lose established members for revenue year after year because of heavy moderation thrown in. Don't ya think?

The Baja I knew used to be nice than the Baja I know now! I just recently sent you a pm reply and said you were a "good zoo mom" for letting me know a post of mine was merged.. Your reply.. "Yes, I am!" it came across arrogant and cocky. I've given you kudos in the past seven years with a nice "thank you" reply from you. That's the Baja I used to like. There's a difference in you now that I and others don't find appealing at all. I'd rather not post the negative comments due to profanity. This has been discussed long before this issue.
I'm not trying to be disrespectful, I'm actually trying to let you know how ppl view and feel about you now. Trying to help. You might find this as a disrespectful bashing. It isn't! you should be grown up enuff to look at this as constructive criticism. Bottom line, a lot of ppl who thought you were cool, think something else now. 

You're the one that started this thread for civil discussion, yet want to close it now due to rehashing and ppl coming his defense?? I view it like you opened up a messy can of worms, and now you don't want to be crawled upon.
But you got the power Ms B, so do what you deem fit. 

I will say though, that if some former members see you in the ga lines this summer, don't be surprised by tongue lashing and no one giving up their bar stool for you. I will give you mine though, so you can have a chance to unwind and have some cocktails and be the loyal obnoxious drunk for the night. 

I really believe that the only way to squash this is BOTH parties apologize to each other. But that remains to be seen..  

 

I want you to think about excessive moderation and egotistical moderation, as a form of enslavement of the masses.  So, if I may borrow the words of one of Go'ds lovely creatures, Martin Luther King:

 

And so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal."

I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia, the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.

I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

I have a dream today!

I have a dream that one day, down in Alabama, with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of "interposition" and "nullification" -- one day right there in Alabama little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.

I have a dream today!

I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, and every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight; "and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed and all flesh shall see it together."2

This is our hope, and this is the faith that I go back to the South with.

With this faith, we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith, we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith, we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day.

And this will be the day -- this will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with new meaning:

My country 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing.

Land where my fathers died, land of the Pilgrim's pride,

From every mountainside, let freedom ring!

And if America is to be a great nation, this must become true.

And so let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire.

Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York.

Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania.

Let freedom ring from the snow-capped Rockies of Colorado.

Let freedom ring from the curvaceous slopes of California.

But not only that:

Let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia.

Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee.

Let freedom ring from every hill and molehill of Mississippi.

From every mountainside, let freedom ring.

And when this happens, when we allow freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual:

  Free at last! Free at last!

  Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!3

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The TOS is clear, its the mods job to enforce it, which I and the others will do.

 

As for the power trip comments some of you made, in this organization everyone gets to have their say, and everyone treats each other with respect and courtesy. You get to say your opinions, but personal attacks are not allowed and some of you are standing on that line.

 

And yes, if any of the members of U2 were on the site and were disrespectful towards others I would have no problem telling them they crossed a line. But see, that's a moot point, because in my personal experience, it's them that are quick to shut down any disrespect towards another. To quote Mr. Clayton: "We don't talk to each other that way"

 

Sadly no matter what I say or do you will interpret it with your own filters and personal bias (just as I do), so I will not be making any further comment on the matter.

 

Baja

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Baja, you are doing a fine job as always. The TOS are well defined for all who have agreed.

 

This thread reminds me of John:8

 

6 But this they said proving him, that they might have [something] to accuse him [of]. But Jesus, having stooped down, wrote with his finger on the ground.

7 But when they continued asking him, he lifted himself up and said to them, Let him that is without sin among you first cast the stone at her.

8 And again stooping down he wrote on the ground.

 

As you stand before your reflection, do you curse all that you see,

or is it not with decency and respect, that you treasure thee

Treat all things with this decency and respect

As you desire that they treat ye.

 

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Oh good lord, this is unbelievable. I stopped by just to see what's been going on on the free side since I let my membership lapse and this is the first thread I read. Gah. I cannot believe the preciousness of the fan forum here and this thread alone justifies my decision to give the whole thing the flick and just listen to, and enjoy, the music, when the mood takes me. Sheesh!

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basher1 wrote:

YoungmanU2']The bottom line here is simple. Obey the rules. It's easy. It's a no brainer. If you are that adolescent that you don't have the self-control to obey the rules - and it really doesn't matter if "culturally I don't like the rule" or "a lot of people do this these days," or "but so & so is a great friend and a great person." Big deal.

 

Nor is it just about "personal clashes." The people defending Gibbo - many of whose posts I've enjoyed over the years - simply need to get past it. No offense, but these discussions remind me of junior high days.

 

It's an internet discussion board! It has rules. Abide by them. In my life - though I don't use it very much at all these days except to myself in difficult circumstances - I've used the f-word as colorfully as anyone on here. But I know it's not something to be done on such a board. So - rules the rule.

 

The honorable person simply says - "Well, I messed up. Sorry. Will try to do better next time." Gibbo knows how to tweak someone and knows quite well when he is seeking to get under someone's skin. It's clear what he was trying to do here and, friend or not, it's poor character by him. Justifiable anger or not - bad form on his part, simple and plain. If you don't have the humility to say, "I'm sorry, should have behaved better" - and if you are cussing on someone's FB wall - then you have the problem. End of argument. Indefensible.

 

There's a number of things that bothered me about U2.com which is why I did not renew my paid subscription this year (including the "reward" for the subscription); but, following posting rules and having a level of decorum on a discussion board really doesn't take very much self-control for an adult.

YAWN.....NO BOTHER POINTDEXTER........

 

i'll write what i want when i want and if you deem this to be immature big fat hairy deal you can stick by whatever rules you want and be a good little boy and get a nice pat on the head from teacher. i also love the way people like you use the phrase "end of argument" like someone made you commander -in0chief of the whole universe.

Basher, you do let your cage get rattled... I think its a Celtic thing, shared by Scots, Geordies, Liverpudlians, Mancunians, and of course the Irish. We either want a scrap or a hug.

 

We can all write what we want, whenever we want, you are quite right there. A problem arises though when someone writes something that violates the Terms that they signed up for when they agreed to participate in a forum. Not just this forum, just about any forum in existance as far as I am aware of has to have some kind of policing, and enforcement of guidelines, otherwise anarchy prevails... eventually, and it dies a death eventually.

There are some completely un-moderated forums out there that exist as the exception to the norm, of that I am sure. But unfortunately (for some), this isn't one of them.

In response to another thread over on paid side - http://community.u2.com/topic/22014 - the issue of free speech and following forum guidelines is being discussed, and I chipped in with some thoughts there... what I was trying to say there seems to apply to this thread too, so I will re-post here the relevant bits.

 

I got banned myself from a forum a couple of years ago, (totally U2-unrelated), well actually I banned myself after a strongly worded warning from the Mod there. I was sure I was in the right, and tried to be civil, but perhaps, in hindsight I was a little aggressive in my posts on that particular forum - (I was actually trying to warn folk on the forum that someone was trolling, but attempting to befriend individual members to get them on their side, whilst having (to me) a very obvious agenda that was leaning towards being homophobic.
Compared to the Zoo, the forum I am talking about was very tame....

Thing is, even though I was convinced (and still am!) I was in the right, and was defending someone else who I thought was getting a rough ride from the troll, I actually went against that forums guidelines and as such, took what was coming my way. On the chin, as were.
Its wasn't the end of the world, I am sure we all at some point have posted something we wake up the next day and regret.
I made the decision that that forum had rules and regs that I could no longer agree with, so I left.
I then actually started something else covering the same subject matter, and ended up with 50 times more members than the original forum, but that's a whole story of its own...

So whats clear here is not the fact someone dropped an f-bomb or two, its more about respect of a forum guidelines, etiquette and the need for us mods to implement those guidelines, with a common sense approach, and a chance for whoever makes the questionable posts to cool it (usually by way of a friendly PM or 3), and if that doesn't work, because the OP is so annoyed or on a good rant, or even (yes it does happen), just had a few bevvies too many that day - then a week, or a month, or even a permanent suspension / banning is implemented. The latter is rarely used, and its never the case of a dictatorship approach, these things are always done in consultation with other mods, admin, and in some cases Site management.
A weeks suspension is no more than a cooling off period, and a months suspension, gives the OP a little longer to reflect if they really wants to remain part of any forum, and its guidelines.

I challenge anyone to join any forum out there, not just U2 forums and try and have a go at the Mods, even a backhanded dig will usually get you booted even before your siggy has had time to upload...
I would argue that here, in the Zoo, you really do want to get yourself a ban if it ever comes to that (some folk strangely get off on the kudos they attract through being able to shout loud and proud 'Ha I was banned! what a joke! I am innocent! I did nuffin' guvnor! honest!...... )
And some people just like to push boundaries and challenge any perceived authority figure, 'cos that is what they like to do. That in itself is not a bad thing, Bono said only recently "We are only as good as our greatest arguements" - but having a civil discussion, within accepted guidelines, and taking an opposite polar view to someone is one thing, often can be a great thing - but direct unfair criticism, abuse and virtual finger-pointing by any member to another (including mods) is another matter completely.

Nah BW no cage rattled here i just hate tossers that try to sook right up Mod's arses is all.....and as for folk saying this thread should be closed why?????.......these are the kind of people that shout for free speech and all that pish but as soon as you say something they don't like they try to get a thread closed....

 

and for the dude getting arsey on Panth read what he says again.

 

anyways this thread has went round and round but actually who on here (not counting Mod's) has read the whole lot of the TOS's i would go with not one person i reckon. at the end of the day it's all pish because it's all just words and an old Scottish saying goes......STICKS AND STONES MAY BREAK MY BONES BUT WORDS CAN NEVER HURT ME.........so in conclusion to this i will say get over yersels and get a life swearing is part of life in music movies in the pub in the street and i would think that folk who are banging on about how bad swearing on a website is are probably the worst offenders in the real world.....thank you and goodnight Basher has left for some pudding.

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