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basher1']YAWN.....NO BOTHER POINTDEXTER........

 

i'll write what i want when i want and if you deem this to be immature big fat hairy deal you can stick by whatever rules you want and be a good little boy and get a nice pat on the head from teacher. i also love the way people like you use the phrase "end of argument" like someone made you commander -in0chief of the whole universe.

Basher, you do let your cage get rattled... I think its a Celtic thing, shared by Scots, Geordies, Liverpudlians, Mancunians, and of course the Irish. We either want a scrap or a hug.

 

We can all write what we want, whenever we want, you are quite right there. A problem arises though when someone writes something that violates the Terms that they signed up for when they agreed to participate in a forum. Not just this forum, just about any forum in existance as far as I am aware of has to have some kind of policing, and enforcement of guidelines, otherwise anarchy prevails... eventually, and it dies a death eventually.

There are some completely un-moderated forums out there that exist as the exception to the norm, of that I am sure. But unfortunately (for some), this isn't one of them.

In response to another thread over on paid side -
- the issue of free speech and following forum guidelines is being discussed, and I chipped in with some thoughts there... what I was trying to say there seems to apply to this thread too, so I will re-post here the relevant bits.

 

I got banned myself from a forum a couple of years ago, (totally U2-unrelated), well actually I banned myself after a strongly worded warning from the Mod there. I was sure I was in the right, and tried to be civil, but perhaps, in hindsight I was a little aggressive in my posts on that particular forum - (I was actually trying to warn folk on the forum that someone was trolling, but attempting to befriend individual members to get them on their side, whilst having (to me) a very obvious agenda that was leaning towards being homophobic.

Compared to the Zoo, the forum I am talking about was very tame....


Thing is, even though I was convinced (and still am!) I was in the right, and was defending someone else who I thought was getting a rough ride from the troll, I actually went against that forums guidelines and as such, took what was coming my way. On the chin, as were.

Its wasn't the end of the world, I am sure we all at some point have posted something we wake up the next day and regret.

I made the decision that that forum had rules and regs that I could no longer agree with, so I left.

I then actually started something else covering the same subject matter, and ended up with 50 times more members than the original forum, but that's a whole story of its own...


So whats clear here is not the fact someone dropped an f-bomb or two, its more about respect of a forum guidelines, etiquette and the need for us mods to implement those guidelines, with a common sense approach, and a chance for whoever makes the questionable posts to cool it (usually by way of a friendly PM or 3), and if that doesn't work, because the OP is so annoyed or on a good rant, or even (yes it does happen), just had a few bevvies too many that day - then a week, or a month, or even a permanent suspension / banning is implemented. The latter is rarely used, and its never the case of a dictatorship approach, these things are always done in consultation with other mods, admin, and in some cases Site management.

A weeks suspension is no more than a cooling off period, and a months suspension, gives the OP a little longer to reflect if they really wants to remain part of any forum, and its guidelines.


I challenge anyone to join any forum out there, not just U2 forums and try and have a go at the Mods, even a backhanded dig will usually get you booted even before your siggy has had time to upload...

I would argue that here, in the Zoo, you really do want to get yourself a ban if it ever comes to that (some folk strangely get off on the kudos they attract through being able to shout loud and proud 'Ha I was banned! what a joke! I am innocent! I did nuffin' guvnor! honest!...... )

And some people just like to push boundaries and challenge any perceived authority figure, 'cos that is what they like to do. That in itself is not a bad thing, Bono said only recently "We are only as good as our greatest arguements" - but having a civil discussion, within accepted guidelines, and taking an opposite polar view to someone is one thing, often can be a great thing - but direct unfair criticism, abuse and virtual finger-pointing by any member to another (including mods) is another matter completely.

Nah BW no cage rattled here i just hate tossers that try to sook right up Mod's arses is all.....and as for folk saying this thread should be closed why?????.......these are the kind of people that shout for free speech and all that pish but as soon as you say something they don't like they try to get a thread closed....

 

and for the dude getting arsey on Panth read what he says again.

 

anyways this thread has went round and round but actually who on here (not counting Mod's) has read the whole lot of the TOS's i would go with not one person i reckon. at the end of the day it's all pish because it's all just words and an old Scottish saying goes......STICKS AND STONES MAY BREAK MY BONES BUT WORDS CAN NEVER HURT ME.........so in conclusion to this i will say get over yersels and get a life swearing is part of life in music movies in the pub in the street and i would think that folk who are banging on about how bad swearing on a website is are probably the worst offenders in the real world.....thank you and goodnight Basher has left for some pudding.

 

I actually read the TOS once when I was rendering a video that was taking far longer than it should to render.

Kinda like now.

 

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bigwave']Basher, you do let your cage get rattled... I think its a Celtic thing, shared by Scots, Geordies, Liverpudlians, Mancunians, and of course the Irish. We either want a scrap or a hug.

 

We can all write what we want, whenever we want, you are quite right there. A problem arises though when someone writes something that violates the Terms that they signed up for when they agreed to participate in a forum. Not just this forum, just about any forum in existance as far as I am aware of has to have some kind of policing, and enforcement of guidelines, otherwise anarchy prevails... eventually, and it dies a death eventually.

There are some completely un-moderated forums out there that exist as the exception to the norm, of that I am sure. But unfortunately (for some), this isn't one of them.

In response to another thread over on paid side -
- the issue of free speech and following forum guidelines is being discussed, and I chipped in with some thoughts there... what I was trying to say there seems to apply to this thread too, so I will re-post here the relevant bits.

 

I got banned myself from a forum a couple of years ago, (totally U2-unrelated), well actually I banned myself after a strongly worded warning from the Mod there. I was sure I was in the right, and tried to be civil, but perhaps, in hindsight I was a little aggressive in my posts on that particular forum - (I was actually trying to warn folk on the forum that someone was trolling, but attempting to befriend individual members to get them on their side, whilst having (to me) a very obvious agenda that was leaning towards being homophobic.

Compared to the Zoo, the forum I am talking about was very tame....


Thing is, even though I was convinced (and still am!) I was in the right, and was defending someone else who I thought was getting a rough ride from the troll, I actually went against that forums guidelines and as such, took what was coming my way. On the chin, as were.

Its wasn't the end of the world, I am sure we all at some point have posted something we wake up the next day and regret.

I made the decision that that forum had rules and regs that I could no longer agree with, so I left.

I then actually started something else covering the same subject matter, and ended up with 50 times more members than the original forum, but that's a whole story of its own...


So whats clear here is not the fact someone dropped an f-bomb or two, its more about respect of a forum guidelines, etiquette and the need for us mods to implement those guidelines, with a common sense approach, and a chance for whoever makes the questionable posts to cool it (usually by way of a friendly PM or 3), and if that doesn't work, because the OP is so annoyed or on a good rant, or even (yes it does happen), just had a few bevvies too many that day - then a week, or a month, or even a permanent suspension / banning is implemented. The latter is rarely used, and its never the case of a dictatorship approach, these things are always done in consultation with other mods, admin, and in some cases Site management.

A weeks suspension is no more than a cooling off period, and a months suspension, gives the OP a little longer to reflect if they really wants to remain part of any forum, and its guidelines.


I challenge anyone to join any forum out there, not just U2 forums and try and have a go at the Mods, even a backhanded dig will usually get you booted even before your siggy has had time to upload...

I would argue that here, in the Zoo, you really do want to get yourself a ban if it ever comes to that (some folk strangely get off on the kudos they attract through being able to shout loud and proud 'Ha I was banned! what a joke! I am innocent! I did nuffin' guvnor! honest!...... )

And some people just like to push boundaries and challenge any perceived authority figure, 'cos that is what they like to do. That in itself is not a bad thing, Bono said only recently "We are only as good as our greatest arguements" - but having a civil discussion, within accepted guidelines, and taking an opposite polar view to someone is one thing, often can be a great thing - but direct unfair criticism, abuse and virtual finger-pointing by any member to another (including mods) is another matter completely.

Nah BW no cage rattled here i just hate tossers that try to sook right up Mod's arses is all.....and as for folk saying this thread should be closed why?????.......these are the kind of people that shout for free speech and all that pish but as soon as you say something they don't like they try to get a thread closed....

 

and for the dude getting arsey on Panth read what he says again.

 

anyways this thread has went round and round but actually who on here (not counting Mod's) has read the whole lot of the TOS's i would go with not one person i reckon. at the end of the day it's all pish because it's all just words and an old Scottish saying goes......STICKS AND STONES MAY BREAK MY BONES BUT WORDS CAN NEVER HURT ME.........so in conclusion to this i will say get over yersels and get a life swearing is part of life in music movies in the pub in the street and i would think that folk who are banging on about how bad swearing on a website is are probably the worst offenders in the real world.....thank you and goodnight Basher has left for some pudding.

 

I actually read the TOS once when I was rendering a video that was taking far longer than it should to render.

Kinda like now.

 

Panth you do know that the TOS covers way more then "don't post porn"???????....
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Save some pudding for me Bashy

Sticks and stones etc is said down here in England too lol

Don't post porn lol

I suppose reading the TOS is like reading the small print on a Visa Card terms of service ....... I recently did read the TOS for an American Express Corporate Card whilst at work ..... so at least I got paid for reading it ..... did take me 4 cups of coffee though ...... and well I think personally this discussion is very civil ....... a lot more civil than what is said in our office a lot of the time ....... OK I'll shut up now and Bash I'll see ya Thursday :)

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basher1']Nah BW no cage rattled here i just hate tossers that try to sook right up Mod's arses is all.....and as for folk saying this thread should be closed why?????.......these are the kind of people that shout for free speech and all that pish but as soon as you say something they don't like they try to get a thread closed....

 

and for the dude getting arsey on Panth read what he says again.

 

anyways this thread has went round and round but actually who on here (not counting Mod's) has read the whole lot of the TOS's i would go with not one person i reckon. at the end of the day it's all pish because it's all just words and an old Scottish saying goes......STICKS AND STONES MAY BREAK MY BONES BUT WORDS CAN NEVER HURT ME.........so in conclusion to this i will say get over yersels and get a life swearing is part of life in music movies in the pub in the street and i would think that folk who are banging on about how bad swearing on a website is are probably the worst offenders in the real world.....thank you and goodnight Basher has left for some pudding.

 

I actually read the TOS once when I was rendering a video that was taking far longer than it should to render.

Kinda like now.

 

Panth you do know that the TOS covers way more then "don't post porn"???????....

 

It's not porn, its art.

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basher1 wrote:

Panth']I actually read the TOS once when I was rendering a video that was taking far longer than it should to render.

Kinda like now.

 

Panth you do know that the TOS covers way more then "don't post porn"???????....

 

It's not porn, its art.

 

Totally agree ...... well that is what they call it when they hang 10' paintings of naked people up in art galleries for people to see and shock horror ...... even children!!!!

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