Subscriber paulheyworth50 Posted December 11, 2014 Subscriber Share Posted December 11, 2014 What consideration is given to tickets bought as a gift, where the credit card holder is not intending to go ? For instance, parents buy their teenagers a pair of tickets to attend ????? Credit card and ID issues are going to cause so many problems for genuine fans, where tickets have been bought and passed on honestly and fairly. I second that! Amen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber economicformula Posted December 12, 2014 Subscriber Share Posted December 12, 2014 Ticketmaster and the like are not doing this to protect us. It actually reduces our options significantly. But what it does is further allows them to broker there own tickets and increase prices...basically scalp, with not quite as much outside competition. The Platinum seats are a prime example. As are the 'sell back' options at many venues in which TM receives a commission. If they want to protect us, why would they allow anyone to buy and then immediately list to resell on their own TM site ? It's all very disingenuous. Meanwhile, I have to figure out a way to get tickets as a Christmas gift to a relative without their needing to use my credit card to get in. How bizarre is that ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber mike7man Posted December 12, 2014 Subscriber Share Posted December 12, 2014 Actually, the CCE tix are NOT resellable by TM (except for NYC, which does not allow paperless/CCE tix at all), and the CCE (only GA and RZ) tix are considerably harder (although not impossible) for scalpers to deal with. The TM reselling you're seeing is all for reserved seats (again, except for NYC), which anyone who buys can resell anyway in whatever fashion they wish (e.g., through Ebay). I'm not saying I like CCE (for the reasons given above), but arguably it does help reduce/control scalping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber economicformula Posted December 12, 2014 Subscriber Share Posted December 12, 2014 I think my position is that TM is suggesting they are helping legit buyers and reducing scalpers when in reality, they are just pushing everyone aside to take control of that aspect of the 'business'. Less in some venue, outlets and formats and more in others. But widespread and growing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber sbeck Posted December 12, 2014 Subscriber Share Posted December 12, 2014 Great thread. I have posted man threads like it. I mean you have GA and want to trade or give them to someone and you can't. I mean r u kidding. Maybe this thread will take off. I mean who could defend this. I have had so many people say how good and "efficient" it is. All I am posting about is how much of a pain it is to deal with tickets or trade. It is hard to fill out a touring season when you can't really put it together. Can one list our Chicago GA's on TM resale? Like Rockefeller said, "competition is a sin". Does TM have any? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber mike7man Posted December 13, 2014 Subscriber Share Posted December 13, 2014 I think my position is that TM is suggesting they are helping legit buyers and reducing scalpers when in reality, they are just pushing everyone aside to take control of that aspect of the 'business'. Less in some venue, outlets and formats and more in others. But widespread and growing. Hmm. I don't understand--how does TM benefit from the CCE stuff? One can't resell those, including through TM. (Again, excepting the MSG gigs; New York does not allow paperless tix). Point is, TM makes no additional $$ off of CCE tix, period. Not saying I like the CCE thing (because it's such a pain for many reasons). But the idea that CCE somehow helps TM on their reselling side doesn't make sense, unless I'm missing something--?? Now, if you're saying that TM is arguing that their reselling (when they can; i.e., non-CCE tix) helps consumers in general, that's definitely more questionable. With the tix they can resell, sure, TM is basically simply moving into the reselling business. Actually, to be more accurate, they're taking an ebay-like role where they take a cut (looks like 10%). On the other hand, their "platinum tickets" thing is definitely moving into charging more themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber mike7man Posted December 13, 2014 Subscriber Share Posted December 13, 2014 Great thread. I have posted man threads like it. I mean you have GA and want to trade or give them to someone and you can't. I mean r u kidding. Maybe this thread will take off. I mean who could defend this. I have had so many people say how good and "efficient" it is. All I am posting about is how much of a pain it is to deal with tickets or trade. It is hard to fill out a touring season when you can't really put it together. Can one list our Chicago GA's on TM resale? Like Rockefeller said, "competition is a sin". Does TM have any? I hear you. It's a problem, for sure. And no, we can't list GAs on TM's resale--that's where the CCE thing arguably does work against scalping--but at a huge cost to various things, like you say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber economicformula Posted December 13, 2014 Subscriber Share Posted December 13, 2014 Mike...it is not just how TM benefits, but more importantly to me anyway, how consumers don't. Hand in hand TM policy at reducing opportunistic scalpers is being replaced with TM virtually scalping themselves by other names. re-sales, Plat seats( where they jack up the price and suggest the secondary benefit to getting a seat at usually well above face value is " bragging rights with your friends".) I think TM Management might brag about how gullible people are...to a point, and hopefully there is a push back. But more importantly, it is how consumers...I don't want to say rights per se, but options are reduced so considerably with CCE. Personal case in point on the issue of CCE...not TM in this case but same policy. I live in Toronto and my Niece and her husband - London. I wanted to provide them a nice Christmas surprise of a couple U2 tickets. I knew in advance their CCE requirement and called to see if there was away to make this work. They stated someone would email on the issue. They did. Twice. In both cases shut the door. It was obvious I was not a scalper. It is simply nonsensical It is about them having a firm grip on all aspects of the industry to increase the bottom line even at the expense of their customers and customer conveniences. I just think they need to be called out and from your last post, you do as well overall. Sounds better to me to work on that over a semantics debate. All the best....see you out there ! Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber mike7man Posted December 13, 2014 Subscriber Share Posted December 13, 2014 I hear you, Greg--points taken. Personally, I'd rather have no CCE at all, for precisely the reasons you mention. It makes it ridiculously difficult to do basic things that are super-helpful, like trade or even simply give tickets to other folks. Also, frankly, I'd rather be able to (if I have to) pay a reseller extra for a GA I really want, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber economicformula Posted December 13, 2014 Subscriber Share Posted December 13, 2014 It's odd but just got an email from guest services at AXS stating it is a U2 Management decision to do CCE for this event and not their in house decision. Myron at AXS is basically saying that this option is deferred to the talent. U2.COM on the other hand seems to be suggesting they are trying to figure out a solution. I tend to believe U2.COM here, but it is curious at minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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