Subscriber richie459 Posted January 12, 2017 Subscriber Share Posted January 12, 2017 I have no issue at all with the good he has done for global causes (Hell, I love Bono) - I do remain unsure for how long it should be put upon paying fans in an arena however. People have paid good money afterall to ultimately hear the guys play music. But thats fine I do get all that. Perhaps he should consider a tour speaking about these issues (seriously). I think when veering into mainstream politics its not the right thing to do. It was a democratic election just like Brexit and I think alot of their audience may have voted for Trump on those stadiums this summer and it is alienating. Please don't think I am inciting any arguments my intiial comment was a bit blunt but I am concerned that to much focus could turn on Trump or even Brexit as opposed to the music thats all. Both of which are very divisive subjects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Shannon387 Posted January 13, 2017 Subscriber Share Posted January 13, 2017 U2 have always been political. This is nothing new. I'm fine with it. I find their thoughts/lyrics thought provoking. I also don't mind they delayed the release of SOE. While I don't want, or think, the entire album will now be one big political thing, I can see why they want to consider adding a song or two on politics or whatever they're considering.This is U2. I'd personally be wondering if they didn't address political issues. Release it when you're ready guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Alma1 Posted January 13, 2017 Subscriber Share Posted January 13, 2017 U2 have always been political. This is nothing new. I'm fine with it. I find their thoughts/lyrics thought provoking. I also don't mind they delayed the release of SOE. While I don't want, or think, the entire album will now be one big political thing, I can see why they want to consider adding a song or two on politics or whatever they're considering.This is U2. I'd personally be wondering if they didn't address political issues. Release it when you're ready guys. Well said, Shannon387. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Alma1 Posted January 13, 2017 Subscriber Share Posted January 13, 2017 It's not all about Trump. It's about 2016 as a whole, and how the world is a very different place to when most of the material that may/may now not be on the album was written. They want to make sure what they release is relevant to the state of the world. I think you're right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Alma1 Posted January 13, 2017 Subscriber Share Posted January 13, 2017 So tired of the Trump bitching. Though the guy deserves to be criticized... a lot! You're right - he does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Alma1 Posted January 13, 2017 Subscriber Share Posted January 13, 2017 I have no issue at all with the good he has done for global causes (Hell, I love Bono) - I do remain unsure for how long it should be put upon paying fans in an arena however. People have paid good money afterall to ultimately hear the guys play music. But thats fine I do get all that. Perhaps he should consider a tour speaking about these issues (seriously). I think when veering into mainstream politics its not the right thing to do. It was a democratic election just like Brexit and I think alot of their audience may have voted for Trump on those stadiums this summer and it is alienating. Please don't think I am inciting any arguments my intiial comment was a bit blunt but I am concerned that to much focus could turn on Trump or even Brexit as opposed to the music thats all. Both of which are very divisive subjects. The world has known very well for decades what U2 is like. When people buy a ticket to U2, they have no reason to expect anything other than what U2 is. To get a ticket to that & then complain that U2 is being U2 - it's kind of like getting a ticket to a zoo & then complaining that you only went to see the elephants & giraffes & you don't know why you have to see the polar bears, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber Alma1 Posted January 13, 2017 Subscriber Share Posted January 13, 2017 It's not true unfortunately that "it was a democratic election" & "democracy played out." This was the 1st national election in 50 yrs w/out the full protection of the Voting Rights Act (VRA) that Martin Luther King Jr & others died to achieve. Because of the Civil Rights Movement, the tricks used to stop blacks from voting were outlawed. The VRA required states that were historically oppressive & abusive to blacks to get federal permission after that before making changes to their voting laws. When we got a black President, some argued that America no longer had enough racism to make the VRA necessary. They got the VRA protections relaxed. As soon as that happened, southern states went back to their old shenanigans - and some new ones - to take away the voting rights of blacks, other minorities, & the poor. This time, a couple of 'heartland' states did also. A couple of northeastern states engaged in shenanigans also. For ex, Ohio fought in court before the election for the 'right' to keep the audit (honesty) function turned *off* on voting machines! They were allowed to. What the voting-rights-abusive states had in common: Republican control. What those who had their voting rights denied to them had in common: they belong to 'groups' that tend to vote Democrat. One poli sci professor estimates at least 1 million Americans were denied their voting rights, & it's estimated that probably 3 million were. Add that to the almost 3 million more votes Hillary got than Trump: it's about 6 million.Add to that the pro-Trump election-process hacking activity that people say Trump encouraged, & which 17 American intelligence agencies said Russia's Kremlin was behind. Add to that the anti-Hillary, unprecedented interference in the election-process by the FBI director, which wound up, as usual, being only a witch-hunt against her. Etc. This was *not* a legitimate election. Trump is an illegitimate 'President Elect.' And w/Trump being dismissive of his own country's intelligence agencies while praising our enemy - Russia's former-KGB dictator - it's why people are calling him Treasonous Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber zoocat Posted January 13, 2017 Subscriber Share Posted January 13, 2017 I think America still hasn,t found what they are looking for. I believe that there was no clear choice on voting day for most Americans and this is the end result. Really it could have gone either way and no one will ever know the truth behind the final standings. As for the delay of SOE, it really does boil down to where it all sits in the mind of the band. Most of their albums have followed some kind of theme and they just need to tweak it a bit by the sound of it, so hold on to your hats and prepare for what should not be too far away Yeeha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber THENEWYORKTONY Posted January 13, 2017 Subscriber Share Posted January 13, 2017 U2 needs to shut up about Trump and give the guy a chance. There are a lot of U2 fans that voted for Trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subscriber doctornickriviera Posted January 13, 2017 Subscriber Share Posted January 13, 2017 Wow that's an epic fart to do that...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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