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On 11/14/2017 at 11:11 AM, afg said:

I captured the ticket price ranges from Ticketmaster for a few venues during this U2.com subscriber presale..  It's hard to believe that $171 is the cheapest available for side seating, and those were not the good seats.  Anyway, I plan on purchasing tix during the public sale(If I get picked) but was curious about the pricing for Redzone.  Notice it is showing as $82 for MSG and $76 for TD Garden.  Is this accurate?

 

NEW YORK MSG:

UPPER BOWL SEATING
US $47.00 - US $331.00
US $47.00US $331.00

LOWER BOWL SEATING
US $47.00 - US $331.00
US $47.00US $331.00

FLOOR SEATING
US $82.00 - US $331.00
US $82.00US $331.00

MADISON CLUB SEATING
US $47.00 - US $112.00
US $47.00US $112.00

BRIDGE SEATING
US $112.00
US $112.00

RED ZONE - GENERAL ADMISSION FLOOR - NO TICKETFAST
US $82.00
US $82.00

MEZZANINE SEATING
US $47.00 - US $82.00
US $47.00US $82.00

BALCONY SEATING
US $47.00 - US $82.00
US $47.00US $82.00
Additional fees are applied at Checkout. Prices subject to change.

 

BOSTON TD GARDEN:

Loge*First Level of Arena Lower Section
US $41.00 - US $325.00
US $41.00US $325.00

Club*Second Level of Arena just behind Loge
US $325.00
US $325.00

Balcony*Fourth Level of Arena Upper Section
US $41.00 - US $325.00
US $41.00US $325.00

Red Zone*General Admission Floor
US $76.00
US $76.00

General Admission Floor
US $76.00
US $76.00
Additional fees are applied at Checkout. Prices subject to change.


NEW JERSEY PRUDENTIAL CENTER:
Mezzanine Level Seating
US $46.00 - US $330.00
US $46.00US $330.00

Lower Level Seating
US $46.00 - US $330.00
US $46.00US $330.00

Floor Level Seating
US $176.00 - US $330.00
US $176.00US $330.00

Upper Level Seating
US $81.00 - US $176.00
US $81.00US $176.00

General Admission Floor (Standing)
US $81.00
US $81.00
Additional fees are applied at Checkout. Prices subject to change.


 

your forgot to add the crazy fees on tickets!! mine started out 76.00 by the time it got in the card 104.00 wtf. 

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I don't even think the listings give an accurate idea of how expensive the tour actually is. Almost all of the lower level tickets are in the $330 price range - all of the seats lining the sides

I captured the ticket price ranges from Ticketmaster for a few venues during this U2.com subscriber presale..  It's hard to believe that $171 is the cheapest available for side seating, and those were

No. For the DC show, Red Zone tickets are $391. Lower level side seats are $325. The 400 level seats are $175. i guess Bono and the boys are short on cash.

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9 minutes ago, dstankiewicz said:

I too am totally outraged at the ticket prices.  Who can afford this?  I've been to multiple shows on every tour, beginning with ZooTV when I was in college.  What college kid today can afford even the 170 bucks to sit in the crappy last row of an arena?  If you're not in the lower sections or on the floor, the concert's just not that compelling.  

And the "just get GAs" argument is terrible.  Not everyone can/wants to stand, as others have said.  And those tickets go in seconds!  There's just not that many of them.  

I can't believe that I will probably skip this tour.  And, more than that, these prices have really soured me on the band I've loved and defended for thirty plus years.  Do they have any idea what average people can afford?  Obviously not.  Shame on them.

I totally agree.  

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18 hours ago, dstankiewicz said:

 Do they have any idea what average people can afford?  Obviously not.  Shame on them.

I keep saying this about so many things these days.

There is such a huge gap between what the elite think average people can afford and what the average people can actually afford.

How's about a $70,000 car with an obscenely huge red Christmas bow on it?  Who is that commercial for?

I just think it will get much, much worse before anything gets better.

 

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I guess I'm fortunate in that these days I could afford the prices - for JT30 and i+e did two nights each and we splashed out on the higher prices seats for them.  However looking at the price jumps that seem to be happening this time I'm starting to wonder whether it's worth it. I've seen every tour since Joshua Tree, travelled overseas to see shows.  But the new songs haven't excited me much, sounds like it's largely going to be similar staging to i+e and I can pretty much guess the rest of the set list and hearing the same songs every tour means they are losing their impact.

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On 11/16/2017 at 9:40 PM, dstankiewicz said:

I too am totally outraged at the ticket prices.  Who can afford this?  I've been to multiple shows on every tour, beginning with ZooTV when I was in college.  What college kid today can afford even the 170 bucks to sit in the crappy last row of an arena?  If you're not in the lower sections or on the floor, the concert's just not that compelling.  

And the "just get GAs" argument is terrible.  Not everyone can/wants to stand, as others have said.  And those tickets go in seconds!  There's just not that many of them.  

I can't believe that I will probably skip this tour.  And, more than that, these prices have really soured me on the band I've loved and defended for thirty plus years.  Do they have any idea what average people can afford?  Obviously not.  Shame on them.

Its amazing isn't it?

Unfortunately the band has exploited every revenue stream and that has been reflected fully on the fans.

From the crooks at TM with outrageous fees's,the third party re-sellers which the ticket agencies actively encourage (and own in some cases) to the shambolic presale with the "lottery" of a code to long term subscribers.

From a band who preach politics and human right issues it really is beyond a joke.

From a European perspective hopefully we will not be involved in the disgrace which is "Verified Fan"

 

 

 

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29 minutes ago, andybrock said:

Its amazing isn't it?

Unfortunately the band has exploited every revenue stream and that has been reflected fully on the fans.

From the crooks at TM with outrageous fees's,the third party re-sellers which the ticket agencies actively encourage (and own in some cases) to the shambolic presale with the "lottery" of a code to long term subscribers.

From a band who preach politics and human right issues it really is beyond a joke.

From a European perspective hopefully we will not be involved in the disgrace which is "Verified Fan"

 

 

 

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I don't even think the listings give an accurate idea of how expensive the tour actually is.

Almost all of the lower level tickets are in the $330 price range - all of the seats lining the sides of the area from the main stage to the e-stage.  Then, all of the upper level sections above those lower level sections are also priced at $330 at least through row 12.  The upper level seats higher than row 12 are priced at $175.

Additionally, a larger percentage of the tickets in the first two price levels are being "scalped" by the band and Ticketmaster by designating them as "VIP packages".  These "packages" have a tremendous upcharge - the $175 tickets are sold for about $325 in the package, and the $330 tickets are sold for $650 in the package.  For this extra fee, fans are given some token gift like a framed photo or lanyard, and perhaps get "free" parking at the venue.  In no way does the monetary value of those perks come close to equaling the added premium being charged.  The tickets chosen to be categorized as "VIP" are often the best seats in that particular section. 

To me, this is sort of like deceptive advertising, because you see the Ticketmaster page and the list of prices and sections, and you think to yourself, "If I select the $330 price, I'll get the best seats in the building" - but it turns out that's not really true.

I just wish there was more transparency, and that one didn't have to figure all of these things out sorting through seating charts and presale pages and the like.  I remember before the Elevation tour began, which was the first tour where the band used tiered pricing rather than a flat rate for all seats, and fan club members were sent a printed letter listing what the prices were and what areas were available at the different price levels.  I feel like we were treated with more respect because we were given all of the information in advance and had the opportunity to better plan for purchasing and had a better opportunity to make an informed purchase.

I also don't mind the $330 charge so much as I mind what a large percentage of the venue is being sold at that price.  If you could tell me that I could spend $330 for a ticket and have a seat that was in the top 5% or even top 10% of all the seating, I'd say that while that was very expensive, you were getting a premium product for a premium price.  Spending $330 for a ticket better than 90% or 95% of everyone else's ticket, that's a reasonable deal in my view.  But the problem is, it appears that over 50% of the tickets are being sold at that price point, which means that the request for $330 a ticket isn't a premium fee for a premium seat, it's a premium fee for what's an ordinary seat in many cases.  I'd be willing to pay $330 for one night to have a ticket that was both close to the main stage and came with a great view of the screen.  I would not be willing to pay $330 for an upper level seat, that was ten or twelve rows up and far away from the main stage.  But, as far as Ticketmaster and the band are concerned, both of those seats are completely equal in value.  That's what I object to.  It would be as bad if they charged Red Zone prices for all regular GA tickets.

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1 hour ago, vertigojds said:

I don't even think the listings give an accurate idea of how expensive the tour actually is.

Almost all of the lower level tickets are in the $330 price range - all of the seats lining the sides of the area from the main stage to the e-stage.  Then, all of the upper level sections above those lower level sections are also priced at $330 at least through row 12.  The upper level seats higher than row 12 are priced at $175.

Additionally, a larger percentage of the tickets in the first two price levels are being "scalped" by the band and Ticketmaster by designating them as "VIP packages".  These "packages" have a tremendous upcharge - the $175 tickets are sold for about $325 in the package, and the $330 tickets are sold for $650 in the package.  For this extra fee, fans are given some token gift like a framed photo or lanyard, and perhaps get "free" parking at the venue.  In no way does the monetary value of those perks come close to equaling the added premium being charged.  The tickets chosen to be categorized as "VIP" are often the best seats in that particular section. 

To me, this is sort of like deceptive advertising, because you see the Ticketmaster page and the list of prices and sections, and you think to yourself, "If I select the $330 price, I'll get the best seats in the building" - but it turns out that's not really true.

I just wish there was more transparency, and that one didn't have to figure all of these things out sorting through seating charts and presale pages and the like.  I remember before the Elevation tour began, which was the first tour where the band used tiered pricing rather than a flat rate for all seats, and fan club members were sent a printed letter listing what the prices were and what areas were available at the different price levels.  I feel like we were treated with more respect because we were given all of the information in advance and had the opportunity to better plan for purchasing and had a better opportunity to make an informed purchase.

I also don't mind the $330 charge so much as I mind what a large percentage of the venue is being sold at that price.  If you could tell me that I could spend $330 for a ticket and have a seat that was in the top 5% or even top 10% of all the seating, I'd say that while that was very expensive, you were getting a premium product for a premium price.  Spending $330 for a ticket better than 90% or 95% of everyone else's ticket, that's a reasonable deal in my view.  But the problem is, it appears that over 50% of the tickets are being sold at that price point, which means that the request for $330 a ticket isn't a premium fee for a premium seat, it's a premium fee for what's an ordinary seat in many cases.  I'd be willing to pay $330 for one night to have a ticket that was both close to the main stage and came with a great view of the screen.  I would not be willing to pay $330 for an upper level seat, that was ten or twelve rows up and far away from the main stage.  But, as far as Ticketmaster and the band are concerned, both of those seats are completely equal in value.  That's what I object to.  It would be as bad if they charged Red Zone prices for all regular GA tickets.

Great post as usual.

I agree with the entirety of this post and I wanted to piggyback off your comment regarding planning.

I try to do GA as often as I can but sometimes I get seats with my mom or friends that can't/wont do GA. It would be nice to have some idea what I'm buying beforehand. Especially now that artists are offering so many different "packages". Additionally, how ridiculous is it that between all of the different options there's no continuity even when using the same platform, ie. Ticketmaster on desktop vs. mobile vs. iPad etc.

The best available is nonsense as well. Seat maps. Just show me the venue. Show me the seats. Put a dollar amount on it.

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they need to stop preaching the "music and concerts are bigger than money" bullshit.  it doesn't work when you siphon the fans for every last penny you can get from them...  because guess what, it is all about the $$$$.

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26 minutes ago, Synj said:

The best available is nonsense as well. Seat maps. Just show me the venue. Show me the seats. Put a dollar amount on it.

Even when pricing is given, it's not accurate - like check out this seating chart with prices from Atlanta, direct from the venue's official site - I've seen similar charts for some other venues as well:

 

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I saw this chart and went "OK, the $330 is probably a little much for me, but hey, my mom only sees one show a tour so maybe for the night I go with her -- at least the $330 tickets will be close to one of the two stages and the screen".  Or, as a backup, I thought I'd be willing to spend $175 for a low row in the upper level.  However, when the tickets actually went onsale, it turns out that the "green" sections above the red sections, which are listed as being $175, are also $330 for the first 12 rows or so.  I might have been willing to spend $330 a ticket for sections 106, 107, 116, and 117.  I was not willing to spend $330 for row 11 of section 204.  And I wasn't willing to spend $175 for the last rows of section 204. 

Inaccurate charts like this make it seem that the pricing is more reasonable than it is.  And it really messes with you when you only have a moment to enter your selections in the Ticketmaster page.  According to this chart, there should be no tickets in the upper level at the $330 price, but in actuality, it seems a large quantity and possibly a majority of tickets in the upper level are also priced at that level.

I wish seat prices and locations were accurately disclosed beforehand.  I think at least half of my frustration is coming from the shock of these charts not being accurate.  I just don't think it's reasonable to say that row 1 of section 107 is worth the same as row 20 of section 204, but according to U2, they are.

I also thought about buying a pair of tickets for the Boston show to go with a friend - my friend is in a situation where there's not a lot of money right now, but was perfectly willing to sit in the $40 limited view seats and miss the screen.  When I put in a request for two tickets at that price on Ticketmaster, it actually found some and I got to the checkout page... where the pair of tickets for $80 turned into about $125 after fees.  That's just not right.  A $40 ticket actually costs over $60, because tickets aren't available at the box office for presales or the first day a show goes onsale, so you have to go through Ticketmaster and pay the fees.  It would be much more helpful if Ticketmaster just posted the final price when choosing tickets instead of adding them later when it's too late to change your selection.  My pair of $175 tickets for Nassau Coliseum, which should have been $350 total, actually came to $420.  $70 is a huge amount for an unavoidable hidden fee.  That means those tickets were actually $210 each, not $175.  I would have selected a lower price level had I know it would be that bad.  The consumer gets none of this information ahead of time, and has no choice but to suck it up and pay it, or stay home.

In a sense, this is larger than just a U2 problem.  It's a concert industry / Live Nation / Ticketmaster problem across the boards in that I don't believe consumers are being treated fairly.  It's the only industry where it seems perfectly legitimate to not disclose prices or to provide inaccurate prices, to amend hidden and unavoidable fees to every purchase, and to refuse to provide refunds or exchanges, even when the product being sold was not accurately advertised.  That can't be all on U2, but it would probably take all of the bands at U2's level getting together to affect any kind of change, along with all of the fans collectively staying home in protest - and neither of those things seems likely to happen.

 

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