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On 11/25/2017 at 4:58 PM, vertigojds said:

Respectfully, these are not.  The top price for regular seats on this tour is about $50 higher than the Innocence & Experience tour.  A lot of seats have also been reclassified to higher price levels.  For instance, I sat in seats during the I&E tour for some of the shows, and at one of those shows, the seats had a face value of $80 each, and the other had a face value of $100 each.  Those exact seats have been classified as $175 tickets for this upcoming tour.  Other tickets which were $150 on the Innocence & Experience tour have been reclassified as $330 tickets for this tour.  The Red Zone has jumped from $325 on I&E to $400 now.

For this particular tour, a seat in the upper level high up around row 12, and far away from the main stage is being charged at the "price level 1" rate of $330.

I don't think anyone is really arguing that the seats that are closest to the stage and have a full view of the screen aren't worth a premium.  The compliant is that a far larger percentage of tickets than usual are being classified at that super high price, even when the placement of that seat does not appear to justify the price being asked.

 

I unfortunately did not see the Innocence And Experience Tour, but thought that the top ticket price was higher than the 360 tour. In any event, the top ticket price on 360 was $275 which adjusted for inflation turns out to be about $325 today. So that top ticket price for seats is the same as the top ticket price people paid for seats in a football stadium. Football stadium seats are further away from the stage because of the size of the football field. In the basketball arena these seats are closer to the stage because the floor is several time smaller. So your getting a better, closer view of the band at an equal ticket price to the 360 tour once you adjust for inflation. 

Can you tell me which venue/city you are talking about where $80 dollar seats are now $175 and $150 are now $330? I'm going to have to refresh my memory on all the price levels for each tour since 2000 in North America. Prior to 1997, there was only one price level at all U2 concerts.

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Look i am a huge fan but quite simply the tickets for this tour are too much , i just don't see how they can charge these prices! Also for the Joshua Tree tour 2017 i shelled out £170 english pounds per ticket, i don't know of any other band that charge this much. When you are on a budget it's hard to afford these prices, i don't like having a go at the band but had to on this issue. 

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18 hours ago, STING said:

Can you tell me which venue/city you are talking about where $80 dollar seats are now $175 and $150 are now $330? I'm going to have to refresh my memory on all the price levels for each tour since 2000 in North America. Prior to 1997, there was only one price level at all U2 concerts.

You can check pretty much any city, so I'll use San Jose as an example here. Sections 201 and 202 contain many top category $325 seats, and to the best of my knowledge they have never charged top price for any seat in the upper level for arena shows prior to this tour. Those same seats would have been the second category on the I&E tour, and now they're not selling because most rightfully refuse to drop $700+ for a pair of upper seats. Comparing it to the top price JT tour seats is irrelevant imo - there isn't a way to justify these prices, which is why they're going to be reduced eventually in many markets. 

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I went to the Boston IE show on July 11th and got tix through the fan club in Sec 329 (upper balcony) and my total cost for 2 tickets was $231.15.  The same exact seats were $325 EACH when I tried to get pre-sale tickets.

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8 hours ago, leafswild said:

You can check pretty much any city, so I'll use San Jose as an example here. Sections 201 and 202 contain many top category $325 seats, and to the best of my knowledge they have never charged top price for any seat in the upper level for arena shows prior to this tour. Those same seats would have been the second category on the I&E tour, and now they're not selling because most rightfully refuse to drop $700+ for a pair of upper seats. Comparing it to the top price JT tour seats is irrelevant imo - there isn't a way to justify these prices, which is why they're going to be reduced eventually in many markets. 

I did not compare them to JT tour seats, I compared them to 360 tour seats. You know the 360 tour for the No Line On The Horizon album back in 2009-2011. Those shows had top tickets at $275 in a football stadium which is much larger than a basketball arena. Yes, they were lower level, but went to the top row of the lower level. Top row of the lower level in a football stadium is the same as the nose bleed seats in a Basketball arena. So that is why they feel justified in charging those prices. The worst seat in a basketball arena is better than at least half the seats in a football stadium in terms of how close you are to the band on stage. When you sell 10,000 tickets at $275 in a football stadium, they know they can do the same thing in an arena. Unfortunately, these high price tickets then take up a higher percentage of the total tickets available, but that is the price you pay when an artist plays a smaller venue and the artist is in high demand. Imagine what it would be like if U2 played theaters where only 3,000 tickets would be available. The prices would go even higher. 

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5 hours ago, Unclejosh said:

I went to the Boston IE show on July 11th and got tix through the fan club in Sec 329 (upper balcony) and my total cost for 2 tickets was $231.15.  The same exact seats were $325 EACH when I tried to get pre-sale tickets.

I doubt you got the exact same seats in two different years. Seats in Sec 329 of course. But do you know for a fact that the first row in section 329 was not at the top ticket price for IE in 2015? Also, the top row in 329 may be at the lower price level. Depends on where the cut off is. I don't think the whole section is charged at the top price. It is a beautiful side stage view. They may have been a little more careful about charging certain seats at these prices last time, but in general they know there are at least 10,000 people willing to pay these prices in the Boston area, because they scooped them up on the 360 tour in big football stadiums at $275 a ticket. Unfortunately when you move down to the arena, you only have at most 20,000 seats and so the top ticket price ends up being half of the available tickets in the venue. The one benefit of stadium shows is that there will be a higher percentage of cheaper tickets. 

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I remember reading U2: At the End of the World and hearing about how U2 lost money on Zoo TV because they wanted to keep ticket prices reasonable for fans. Seems those days are gone... For Innocence and Experience I didn't want to do GA. So I brought lower level $100+ tickets thinking they were over by the auxillary stage based on the seat map. Turns out they were behind the main stage. I got to stare at the bands back or tv screens if I wanted to actually see their faces for the majority of the show. Then Joshua Tree based on that experience I decided yea I don't love the idea of not getting a seat but maybe I'll get GA. Problem was no GA was available when the presale started so went ahead and got $100+ lower level seats again at the back of the stadium. This time I was at least in front of the stage but had a giant pole in front of me. Would have been nice if they mentioned they were obstructed view. Then I get an e-mail telling me that even though I only brought one ticket from the last presale if I want to take part in this one I need to renew my membership early. Decided I was done with the fan club (yes I know there are other perks like records I can't play that still haven't arrived). Luckily a friend of mine was able to get GA off the Citi presale so I will be going but this show might be my last. Particularly if the quality of the new music doesn't improve.

In contrast to all this two tours ago I got Muse tickets off their free fan club presale. They also did seating around the whole arena but actually arranged their stage so there were no bad seats (one main center stage that rotated, two auxillary stages one on each side with significant time spent at all three stages). With no drama I was able to get seats right in front of the center stage for under $100. I realize Muse is no U2 but I personally like them just as much and there is something to be said for not starting your concert experience realizing your $100+ seats stink.

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On 11/20/2017 at 3:31 PM, Unclejosh said:

Same exact seats I sat in for the IE show in Boston 2 years ago for $115 are now $325.  Unreal.  Just outrageous.

Yep. I had 315 row 5 as I remember. Insanity! 

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4 hours ago, ruffian114 said:

I remember reading U2: At the End of the World and hearing about how U2 lost money on Zoo TV because they wanted to keep ticket prices reasonable for fans. Seems those days are gone... For Innocence and Experience I didn't want to do GA. So I brought lower level $100+ tickets thinking they were over by the auxillary stage based on the seat map. Turns out they were behind the main stage. I got to stare at the bands back or tv screens if I wanted to actually see their faces for the majority of the show. Then Joshua Tree based on that experience I decided yea I don't love the idea of not getting a seat but maybe I'll get GA. Problem was no GA was available when the presale started so went ahead and got $100+ lower level seats again at the back of the stadium. This time I was at least in front of the stage but had a giant pole in front of me. Would have been nice if they mentioned they were obstructed view. Then I get an e-mail telling me that even though I only brought one ticket from the last presale if I want to take part in this one I need to renew my membership early. Decided I was done with the fan club (yes I know there are other perks like records I can't play that still haven't arrived). Luckily a friend of mine was able to get GA off the Citi presale so I will be going but this show might be my last. Particularly if the quality of the new music doesn't improve.

In contrast to all this two tours ago I got Muse tickets off their free fan club presale. They also did seating around the whole arena but actually arranged their stage so there were no bad seats (one main center stage that rotated, two auxillary stages one on each side with significant time spent at all three stages). With no drama I was able to get seats right in front of the center stage for under $100. I realize Muse is no U2 but I personally like them just as much and there is something to be said for not starting your concert experience realizing your $100+ seats stink.

All artist price tickets based on demand.  Back in the 80s and early 90s there was usually only a single ticket price and so on average tickets were often sold below their true market value which made scalpers very wealthy. By the mid-90s the concert industry wised up. U2 finally wised up in 2001 on the Elevation tour introducing their first real tiered pricing levels for tickets. Better for the band to make what their worth rather than the scalpers. 

U2 is the most popular concert attraction worldwide or at least in the top five. When your that popular, demand for tickets is going to be crazy. But they always keep GA on the floor at a low price. When you buy a cheaper ticket in the seats, then you will get what you paid for. To be honest, there is no bad seat in an arena, especially when compared with a stadium. The band move around a lot too. 

Muse is a much less popular band in the United States compared to U2. Most of their concerts don't even sellout. Because of that, it makes the ticket buying experience much easier. 

 

Here is a brief history of U2 concert ticket prices in the United States:

 

Boy Tour - $4.00

October Tour - $6.50

War Tour - $10.50

Unforgettable Fire Tour - $13.50

Joshua Tree Tour - $19.50

ZOO TV TOUR - $30.00

POPMART TOUR - $52.50, $37.50

Elevation Tour - $130.00, $85.00, $45.00

Vertigo Tour - $160.00, $95.00, $50.00

360 Tour - $275.00, $95.00, $55.00, $30.00

Innocence And Experience Tour: ?

Joshua Tree Tour 2017: GA was $70

Experience And Innocence Tour: $325.00, $171.00, $106.00, $76.00, $41.00

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Wow!

I saw the War Tour in Los Angeles when I was 17. Did I really pay $10.50 a ticket?

I probably complained about that too!

:lol:

 

 

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