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I was just looking at tix for Chicago SOE shows.  One can buy the silver package tix, 200 level, for $295.  Seats a section away from the stage are $325 in the 200 level.  They are all good seats.  Why would silver package tickets be less than regular seats?   Anyhow, for anyone considering...look at 200 level and buy the silver package ones-you get a better seat and save $30.

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Plus with the silver package, you get the VIP gift. I bought it for 2 shows since I actually got better seats than the top price regular seats on offer at the time

 

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On 2/20/2018 at 2:46 AM, Manohlive said:

Do you think they can continue to innovate with technologically wondrous tours without charging what they are charging?

Yes.

This tour will feature the exact same staging that was used on the 2015 tour, using equipment which has already been designed and built, and presumably already paid for.  The ticket prices have surged tremendously since 2015.  It's not just the prices but also the reclassifying of seats to higher price levels in all sections of the area.

To the first part of this, about prices rising, on the 2015 tour, the top price (excluding Red Zone) was $270 a seat.  For the 2018 tour, the top price is $330.  Now, to my mind, inflation has not risen such in that time period to justify a $60 increase in such a short period of time.

To the second part of this, about seats being reclassified, a seat that I sat in for 2015 which was sold then as a $100 ticket is now priced at $175.  We're talking the second to last row of the upper level here, not exactly a premium location.  A seat I sat in that was an $80 ticket last time is now $125.  A lot of seat locations that were being charged at the $100 or $150 level in 2015 have been bumped up to $330 for 2018.

By all accounts, the 2015 tour was massively successful and a huge moneymaker.  On the 2015 tour, there were plenty of seats available for $100 or less that offered a full view of the screen.  As best I can tell for the 2018, all of the tickets priced below the $175 price point now have an obstructed view of the screen - if you want to view the screen, you pay more.  This seems to be a big change in mission.  On previous tours, the idea of the screen and the staging was to make the poor seats seem better than they were, and to provide a good show to people who didn't get front row tickets.  Now, it seems that the screen is being used as justification to raise prices for seats that aren't great to begin with.

In 1997, all tickets for the PopMart show I attended were $50.  This was a massive production that had everything we've come to expect from U2, and was a financially successful tour for the band.  According to several inflation calculators I checked, $50 in 1997 is equivalent to $77 today.  So I don't begrudge the band for having to have raised prices above $50.  But the $330 that they are currently charging for most tickets is far above what inflation would suggest is an appropriate change.

I wouldn't even begrudge them $330 tickets if those tickets offered a good value proposition.  But they don't.  If you were to say, "Let's take the very best tickets, the top 5% or 10% of all tickets, and charge a sky high price for them," I could accept that.  For $330 a ticket, you should get a phenomenal seat.  But they are selling most of the lower and upper levels at that price, so spending $330 a ticket is no guarantee of getting a great or even a good seat.  For that price point, you could still end up in a high row number in the upper level, far away from the main stage.  That doesn't seem right to me.

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10 hours ago, vertigojds said:

Yes.

This tour will feature the exact same staging that was used on the 2015 tour, using equipment which has already been designed and built, and presumably already paid for.  The ticket prices have surged tremendously since 2015.  It's not just the prices but also the reclassifying of seats to higher price levels in all sections of the area.

To the first part of this, about prices rising, on the 2015 tour, the top price (excluding Red Zone) was $270 a seat.  For the 2018 tour, the top price is $330.  Now, to my mind, inflation has not risen such in that time period to justify a $60 increase in such a short period of time.

To the second part of this, about seats being reclassified, a seat that I sat in for 2015 which was sold then as a $100 ticket is now priced at $175.  We're talking the second to last row of the upper level here, not exactly a premium location.  A seat I sat in that was an $80 ticket last time is now $125.  A lot of seat locations that were being charged at the $100 or $150 level in 2015 have been bumped up to $330 for 2018.

By all accounts, the 2015 tour was massively successful and a huge moneymaker.  On the 2015 tour, there were plenty of seats available for $100 or less that offered a full view of the screen.  As best I can tell for the 2018, all of the tickets priced below the $175 price point now have an obstructed view of the screen - if you want to view the screen, you pay more.  This seems to be a big change in mission.  On previous tours, the idea of the screen and the staging was to make the poor seats seem better than they were, and to provide a good show to people who didn't get front row tickets.  Now, it seems that the screen is being used as justification to raise prices for seats that aren't great to begin with.

In 1997, all tickets for the PopMart show I attended were $50.  This was a massive production that had everything we've come to expect from U2, and was a financially successful tour for the band.  According to several inflation calculators I checked, $50 in 1997 is equivalent to $77 today.  So I don't begrudge the band for having to have raised prices above $50.  But the $330 that they are currently charging for most tickets is far above what inflation would suggest is an appropriate change.

I wouldn't even begrudge them $330 tickets if those tickets offered a good value proposition.  But they don't.  If you were to say, "Let's take the very best tickets, the top 5% or 10% of all tickets, and charge a sky high price for them," I could accept that.  For $330 a ticket, you should get a phenomenal seat.  But they are selling most of the lower and upper levels at that price, so spending $330 a ticket is no guarantee of getting a great or even a good seat.  For that price point, you could still end up in a high row number in the upper level, far away from the main stage.  That doesn't seem right to me.

Great Post... agree totally.

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On 2/20/2018 at 6:36 AM, Mark Bentman said:

Personally I would be more than happy for them to go without this amazing, all singing , all dancing, super LED, etc, etc screen and just have the band and maybe a less technological screen or two and then drop the prices by at least 30%. I'm there for U2, not technology.

They did that for the Elevation tour and tickets were still $140.  That's over 15 years ago now.  Those same seats would be over $200 today.  Productions are very expensive.  Tickets to the opera are over $150.  They are a non-profit company.  I share your sentiment.  I don't think a lesser expensive tour is possible any longer.  The world has changed too much. 

 

13 hours ago, Martinmc said:

$50 in 1997 is equivalent to $77 today. 

That is a $27 difference.  Tickets for SOE are about $25 more than SOI.  Since Hurricanes Harvey and Irma and Maria...insurance rates have skyrocketed.  The insurance rates alone, for a tour, have gone up much more than $25. It's easy to get upset.  $325 is ludicrous for a show. It's the reality of conglomerates owning way too much and wanting even more.  In this instance, it's Live Nation.

If you keep checking-GAs will get released.  They always do but ya gotta check three or four times a day.  I find 2-6 AM to generally be the time they release GAs and seats, but it can be any time.   I'm repeating myself, however; my hope is others will see this and not abandon hope.  I also hope you can find a reasonable seat(s) for your show(s).  FYI-U2Chicago-sections 105 and 107 and 205 and 207 and 300 level were $76.  They are just to the right and left of the screen, right by the secondary stage, if you look at the seating chart.  106 would suck. The ones I mentioned are great.  Maybe they are doing the same in your venue?  I want those seats, and all GAs released, to go to U2.com members.  Pardon me if repetitious.

13 hours ago, Martinmc said:

If you were to say, "Let's take the very best tickets, the top 5% or 10% of all tickets, and charge a sky high price for them," I could accept that.

Sadly, those would be what they now call Platinum Packages.  I've seen seats for regular price one row behind platinum seats.  That's a $500 difference to be one seat closer to the stage. Citibank STILL has whole chunks of sections with tickets available, They are holding the seats for their customers.  These are some of the best seats in the house. The promoter does this. There are a lot of greedy hands in that purse.

13 hours ago, Martinmc said:

But they are selling most of the lower and upper levels at that price, so spending $330 a ticket is no guarantee of getting a great or even a good seat.  For that price point, you could still end up in a high row number in the upper level, far away from the main stage.  That doesn't seem right to me.

It does not seem right to me either.  It is a new policy.  I spoke with someone in ticketing.  They had just gone through the first presale for Justin Timberlake.  Tickets for Mr. Timberlake are $275, and that price goes all the way up to the 300 level as well.  The promoter sets the prices and decides which seats will be sold for whatever price.  The venues try to suggest things.  In the end, the promoter makes the decisions. I sincerely share your anger and frustration.  I was told these prices are the new norm-The only way to change it is to refuse to pay hundreds of dollars to sit in the nosebleeds or wherever one thinks any production is overpriced.  Check out the prices to go see the circus' final run with elephants.  The promoters are playing that one to the hilt.  It's disgusting.

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Interesting you brought up those Justin Timberlake prices. My wife wants me to take her to a Justin Timberlake concert, but took one look at the prices for this upcoming tour and said, "...but not this time around." I agree that some U2 tickets are pretty steep and I sure as heck wouldn't pay them, but my tickets to Paul McCartney that had me on the second seating level in the Amalie Arena in Tampa at the far end of the stage were more than double the price of the U2 GA tickets for TJT30 and this one. It's demand that drives these prices as much as anything, so I don't really have any qualms about them since they're an awful lot cheaper than just about any other big name. My issue with Live Nation was the way that gobs of GA tickets wound up in the hands of scalpers and as resale tickets on TM, which flew in the face of everything U2 was supposedly trying to prevent.

I think Live Nation/Ticketmaster is about as close to scum as organizations get because they have a near monopoly here in the US and deliver awful service just because they can, but I don't blame them too much for prices (I put that on demand/the artists themselves). I do think many concerts are prohibitively expensive, but I just don't go. We've got Jimmy Buffett and Eagles coming to town, but we aren't going. Way too expensive.

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The rolling stones are charging a whopping  £435 face value for the ticket in the stage side pits in Cardiff Millennium stadium. 

£250 + fees in the green shaded area.and GA gives you access to somewhere around the half way line.

gone are the days when a cheap GA ticket and a willingness to queue guaranteed you the stageside seats.

Now it simply depends if you are willing to pay crazy money for tickets. 

I’m not bothered about the stones - haven’t produced a good record for 40 years. But I would not pay 400£ plus to see anyone!

Worlds Gone Mad.

 

 

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On ‎05‎/‎03‎/‎2018 at 4:25 PM, doctornickriviera said:

The rolling stones are charging a whopping  £435 face value for the ticket in the stage side pits in Cardiff Millennium stadium. 

£250 + fees in the green shaded area.and GA gives you access to somewhere around the half way line.

gone are the days when a cheap GA ticket and a willingness to queue guaranteed you the stageside seats.

Now it simply depends if you are willing to pay crazy money for tickets. 

I’m not bothered about the stones - haven’t produced a good record for 40 years. But I would not pay 400£ plus to see anyone!

Worlds Gone Mad.

 

 

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It saddens me that the best standing view can only be had if you are rich. So many concerts now are selling "front of stage", "golden circle" etc etc and anyone who can't afford it can't get near the artist they love. We really need to go back to the days of first come, first served. If you're prepared to queue then you should be entitled to be down the front or wherever you want to stand. As soon as U2 goes this way, I won't be paying.

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We have been enjoying this band for close to forty years now.  No, it's not like the old days.  What is?  I think it's time we stop bitching and start celebrating that we have the third U2 tour since 2015, one of their strongest albums to date and a completely new production using a platform with which they are now familiar.  I think they are going to blow us away this tour.  I think this is going to be one of their best tours ever.  I have been watching tickets and they are slowly selling-this theory that people are not buying seats because they are so expensive is not true.  The shows in Chicago are selling.  They just played Chicago in June.  A new show will not sell as well no matter ticket prices.  I'm not criticizing anyone.  I think there comes a time where we need to start to look at positives.  WE HAVE A THIRD U2 TOUR SINCE 2015.  We somehow got tickets.  We are going to see a brand new production.  Yes, what happened sucks but let's start to look at the positives OR don't go and be done with it.  I'm not trying to be harsh.  At some point the Sun can come up with our names written on it and many will still bitch about the font used for our names.  There's been so much negativity in so many threads.  We've a new tour.  Once the house goes to half and then whole...it's all going to be amazing.

Has anyone noticed the ticket exchange forum this tour?  It's awesome.  
 

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A band that have stood for so much over the years are ripping their fans off ,there has not been a single response from any of the management or the band (should i really have expected it ??) . I have been following the band on every tour since War and enough is enough unless ticket prices come down for the next tour then thats me done, Platinum Tickets are a scam rip off and if U2 are still true to their roots then they should bin Ticket Bastard /Live Nation and start treating their fans like human beings not cash cows . THE BAND NEED TO ACT 

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