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12 hours ago, Grzeko said:

Really? The N word muted, but the F word is just perfectly fine? 🤣 You should leave it or mix the whole rant out, lazy bastards

Censorship of one word was a spoiler in deed.

The band used to wave a flag of UN human rights earlier. Have the values changed during the years? 

 

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7 minutes ago, Ilmajoki said:

Censorship of one word was a spoiler in deed.

The band used to wave a flag of UN human rights earlier. Have the values changed during the years? 

 

Perhaps you should not look at the removal of the word as censorship, but as a sign of respect. 

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1 hour ago, mich40 said:

Perhaps you should not look at the removal of the word as censorship, but as a sign of respect. 

So you say in 2001 Bono showed disrespect, put in on film and distributed for 19 years? Bold 😇

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1 hour ago, Grzeko said:

So you say in 2001 Bono showed disrespect, put in on film and distributed for 19 years? Bold 😇

No. “Rock and Roll N*” was possibly a reference to the Patti Smith song. The word was thrown around more heavily in the 70s up to the earlier 2000s. I am not/cannot speak for the band, but with everything that has happened in the world in the last several years, I’m not surprised that they chose to mute the word. 

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10 hours ago, Max Tsukino said:

Are you streaming it via Wi-Fi? If yes, could you try it with an Ethernet cable? most of the times, using the cable solves the issue. If it doesn't let us know please so we can pass the report. Thanks...

Don't have a cable, unfortunately. All the previous streams had the option to choose your own quality setting - I hope they add this back for any future ones.

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7 hours ago, Ilmajoki said:

Censorship of one word was a spoiler in deed.

The band used to wave a flag of UN human rights earlier. Have the values changed during the years? 

 

 

7 hours ago, mich40 said:

Perhaps you should not look at the removal of the word as censorship, but as a sign of respect. 

 

6 hours ago, Grzeko said:

So you say in 2001 Bono showed disrespect, put in on film and distributed for 19 years? Bold 😇

 

5 hours ago, mich40 said:

No. “Rock and Roll N*” was possibly a reference to the Patti Smith song. The word was thrown around more heavily in the 70s up to the earlier 2000s. I am not/cannot speak for the band, but with everything that has happened in the world in the last several years, I’m not surprised that they chose to mute the word. 

I would go beyond "possibly" to "is" - Bono's love and respect for Patti Smith is beyond doubt. Also, she was not the first to use the word as a metaphor to those who are unfairly downtrodden, instead of its limited racial use - see the first track of this album from another act that Bono loved and who also has Irish roots:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Some_Time_in_New_York_City

In fact, I seem to remember an interview where Bono used that same word to describe the Irish in general with respect to how they are perceived/treated in Europe. He was never a stranger to using the word metaphorically.

Having said that, in the year 2020 on a stream that was going to the US specifically, as well as the rest of the world, I agree that it was probably a good decision to bleep the word. For example, parents could have been watching/listening to that show within earshot of their children and had forgotten that Bono drops the N-bomb during "Bullet". It would be nice not to hear it in such a setting.

On the other hand, there is such a thing as artistic license, and Bono is clearly using the word here in its metaphorical sense, as popularized by Patti Smith and John Lennon. With that being the case, if this new upgrapde ever sees a physical edition, I certainly hope that this word will be uncensored. Put a parental warning label on the outside of the package if the need is felt, even write a disclaimer in the accompanying booklet - just leave the performance as the performance. Everyone knows while listening to it that the word is not being used racially here.

The added irony here is that the bleeping of it actually draws more attention to it. Upon hearing the bleep, everyone knows what has been left out. Thus, I hope the bleeping is omitted is any possible future releases.

 

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Opinions, ideas and point of views are not monolithic entities - they can be revised over time and changed and adjusted when it applies, even to a point in which a total change of course or an opposite direction is an obligation. What may have been acceptable some years ago is not necessary what is acceptable now... after all, no one is the same person that was years ago. The same applies for the use of certain words, like the one was bleeped on this broadcast...

Maybe this article could be of interest... I think it explains clearly why it was wrong for Patti Smith to use it, then...

https://medium.com/artsculturebeat18/righting-patti-smiths-wrongs-9a65270083c9

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Yesterday was busy and long.  I first got online around 2 am or so this morning.  I came in here, found the stream and watched through Kite.  I turned to mush and fell asleep.

The sound is amazing.  I was listening in headphones.  I'll be watching the whole show today.

 

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7 hours ago, Grzeko said:

So you say in 2001 Bono showed disrespect, put in on film and distributed for 19 years? Bold 😇

This stream is free.  If you have a problem with what they did, go find whatever version it is that you are missing and do what you have to do.  You called them lazy bastards.  I'm not sure if you meant U2 or the people who work for them.  Either way, I take offense.

The 'n' word is so offensive that you could not type it for fear of reprisal. That should speak for itself.

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53 minutes ago, Max Tsukino said:

Opinions, ideas and point of views are not monolithic entities - they can be revised over time and changed and adjusted when it applies, even to a point in which a total change of course or an opposite direction is an obligation. What may have been acceptable some years ago is not necessary what is acceptable now... after all, no one is the same person that was years ago. The same applies for the use of certain words, like the one was bleeped on this broadcast...

Maybe this article could be of interest... I think it explains clearly why it was wrong for Patti Smith to use it, then...

https://medium.com/artsculturebeat18/righting-patti-smiths-wrongs-9a65270083c9

Thank you for posting that - that's a great article and completely accurate.

Let me clarify further clarify what I was getting at above. I'm not at all defending the phrase; I don't and I can't, it's just not right to use - I was pointing out why Bono felt ok about using it at the time. If he were to use it today, I (and the whole world) would call him out immediately on it. The good thing is that I know for a fact that he would never use it again and most probably feels bad about using it then.

I'm just not a big fan of censoring of art. Much of art pricks at the boundaries of what is considered acceptable (e.g., Patti Smith's boyfriend, Robert Mapplethorpe had very divisive photography - was it pornographic or was it art? It's in the eye of the beholder). That was clearly Bono's intent during "Bullet".

Would I have preferred that Bono had not used that line in concert back then? Yes, I would have preferred that he not use the expression. But, he did and we all know that he did. The audible bleep really does draw more attention to what has been bleeped, i.e., the edit ultimately fails what it seeks to do; it draws more attention to it.

If they would like to remove the word for eternity, such offending items can be removed much less audibly - technology is now advanced enough to do that. That would be a GREAT improvement. Well, let's hope for that if future editions of this show are forthcoming.

 

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