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No, I hear you.  And if that were the only info we had, I'd agree w/you.  But we have lots more info from many other venues that suggest differently.  Perhaps most tellingly, check out the San Diego venue website itself (not TM), and find the U2 map they have.  You'll see it's very different, and apparently not "in the round".

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Mike7man...I think you meant San Jose...not San Diego...and yes, that seating chart on the SAP site does show it as being an 'end stage', but why would they put 'This Concert is in the Round' on the Ticketmaster site for that same venue (SAP)?  

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Thanks for the clarification.  Excuse me, you're absolutely right--we're talking about San Jose.  And as to why the SAP venue map proper vs. the TM map for the same show appear to differ so much, good question!  Offhand, I trust the venue map way more--it's much more detailed, and almost looks like a copy of a schematic that U2 management sent them.  Anyway, I can say one thing, for sure--TM gets lots of things wrong.  For example, different venues (at first, and some still) had conflicting statements about what Credit Card Entry applied to (some said GA only, some reserved only, some both!).  The Boston Garden TM description still says (erroneously) that reserved tix are CCE (and does not say that GA is!).  Anyway, as we now know, it's only GA (and RZ).  But how do we know that?  Basically, only through folks actually buying the tix.  Not cool.  Plus, OK, San Jose TM said the show was in the round.  But--other TM descriptions at other venues don't mention that at all (like the Boston Garden info).  And hey, we know the show will have the same setup everywhere--it's not like it's going to be in the round in some places and not in others.  Stuff like this has been what's been driving me nuts!

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Just to add to the fun, I got on the Boston Garden website, and it describes the show as "end stage/concert", which means (if you look at their standard end stage map, they don't have a customized U2 map) that the main stage is indeed on the other side from the RZ.

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I just spoke with the box office at the United Center in Chicago and he said that the main stage is where the red zone is located.  So it seems the main stage is down by section 108, etc at the United Center.  That is why tickets in section 119 were only $95, I was told.  So the red zone is next to the main stage.  I've spoken with three people at the box office.

 

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This is what I know about Chicago:   sections 108 and 119 are where the disabled seats for lower level are located.  Seats in section 108 were $275 and seats in section 119 were $95.  The guy who sold me these seats has been doing it for a long time.  He's never been wrong with information he has given me.  I'm not saying quote him but they would not charge disabled people $275 to be on the lesser side of the venue when those on the other side only paid $95.   LMAO     This is soooooo much fun!!!  

Two weeks ago I did not even know they were gonna tour.  I thought it would be at least another year.  Now I am worrying about where my seats are.  In any event, I have seats in section 108 for one night and 119 for another so I'm set no matter.  I also have GAs for one night and am praying I can physically do it because I have wanted to do GAs for U2 forever.  I got a fractured skull trying with the Foo Fighters but I am fine. It was 110 degrees so I was a fool but I really wanted to see the Foo Fighters.  I somewhat remember Everlong but nobody sang there goes my hero as I was escorted out!  haha  

Perhaps it changes with each venue?  Couldn't they have the same setup but reverse it according to the individual venues?

It's a good thing I'm going to see The Head and the Heart in Chicago this weekend so I can forget about all of this!!!

I sure hope I can do GAs.  I can manage standing for the show but being in line all day is gonna be tough.  I used my code for GAs.  Here's praying it works!    This is so exciting!!!!!!!

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What would have been most helpful to us diehard fans is for a general description of plans for stage layout with our pre-sale info!  Could have been more informed then. I went from hearing about the tour one night, sleepless night checking phone for pre-sale code, palpitations, crashing computer on the morning, panic as I realised ticket sales were in local time ( I'm in UK and was buying for Germany so like an idiot missed out on 45 mins of opportunity by time I realised by getting timing wrong = more stress!!!). Anyway I can't stand for long due to health so have got seats one end for one show and one end for another at O2 so can't stress about it any longer!  Will try and put it out of my mind (hard) till next year!!! 

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I just spoke with the box office at the United Center in Chicago and he said that the main stage is where the red zone is located.  So it seems the main stage is down by section 108, etc at the United Center.  That is why tickets in section 119 were only $95, I was told.  So the red zone is next to the main stage.  I've spoken with three people at the box office.

 

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This is what I know about Chicago:   sections 108 and 119 are where the disabled seats for lower level are located.  Seats in section 108 were $275 and seats in section 119 were $95.  The guy who sold me these seats has been doing it for a long time.  He's never been wrong with information he has given me.  I'm not saying quote him but they would not charge disabled people $275 to be on the lesser side of the venue when those on the other side only paid $95.   LMAO     This is soooooo much fun!!!  

Two weeks ago I did not even know they were gonna tour.  I thought it would be at least another year.  Now I am worrying about where my seats are.  In any event, I have seats in section 108 for one night and 119 for another so I'm set no matter.  I also have GAs for one night and am praying I can physically do it because I have wanted to do GAs for U2 forever.  I got a fractured skull trying with the Foo Fighters but I am fine. It was 110 degrees so I was a fool but I really wanted to see the Foo Fighters.  I somewhat remember Everlong but nobody sang there goes my hero as I was escorted out!  haha  

Perhaps it changes with each venue?  Couldn't they have the same setup but reverse it according to the individual venues?

It's a good thing I'm going to see The Head and the Heart in Chicago this weekend so I can forget about all of this!!!

I sure hope I can do GAs.  I can manage standing for the show but being in line all day is gonna be tough.  I used my code for GAs.  Here's praying it works!    This is so exciting!!!!!!!

 

In my opinion, it makes more sense that Section 119 is cheaper because it is behind the Main stage albeit an open stage.  Section 108 will have a forward facing view and that's why they are more expensive.  Of course, I'm just guessing but that's what I think.  

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I agree.  At the very least, it's a serious possibility.  That is, 119 is less because it's behind the main stage; 108/109 are full price because they have full view.  Plus, if indeed there's a b-stage by the RZs, 108/109 (and that whole end) will have a great view of that as well.  Not only that, but if the main stage really were by the RZ, then 108/109 (at least 108) would be behind it--which makes no sense, since 108 is full price.  After all, if the main stage is at the 108/109 end, there's no way it'd be facing toward those sections, no?  If it did, then most of the arena would be behind the main stage, which makes no sense.

 

And there's no way they'll change the setup from venue to venue.  At least, they've never done that before.  Finally, it now sounds to you like the box office person you talked to didn't have direct knowledge of the stage setup, but rather (like we are now) was trying to deduce it from indirect evidence.

 

Anyway, I really hope you're able to do GA, since that's your goal!  And it's true, with you having seats on both ends, you'll have a great time no matter what.

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Just wanted to add the info from Ticketmaster next to RED ZONE(?), when you view the (?) you get the info below, which may support that the RED ZONE is not on the opposite end of the stage/cat walk, but more connected to the actual stage:

 

<<(RED) Zone Ticket gives you access to an exclusive VIP area directly adjacent to the Stage with special amenities and dedicated staff, all while raising money in support of (RED) and the Global Fund to fight AIDS in Africa. Exclusive features include barricaded area adjacent to the Stage; Extremely limited capacity; VIP Entrance to the venue; An opportunity to be selected for a pre show backstage tour; Access to the (RED) Zone refreshment stand.>>

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Elkesven...Thanks for that.  That supports my guess that the stage will be in the round and in the middle of most venues...but why the difference in prices from one end of the venue to the other?  It would be nice if they could clarify this whole thing.

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Just wanted to add the info from Ticketmaster next to RED ZONE(?), when you view the (?) you get the info below, which may support that the RED ZONE is not on the opposite end of the stage/cat walk, but more connected to the actual stage:

 

<<(RED) Zone Ticket gives you access to an exclusive VIP area directly adjacent to the Stage with special amenities and dedicated staff, all while raising money in support of (RED) and the Global Fund to fight AIDS in Africa. Exclusive features include barricaded area adjacent to the Stage; Extremely limited capacity; VIP Entrance to the venue; An opportunity to be selected for a pre show backstage tour; Access to the (RED) Zone refreshment stand.>>

I think "stage" is a pretty generic term especially if there is a Main stage, runway stage, and possible B stage.  There is no doubt that the Red Zone will be attached to the stage but that doesn't necessarily mean the Main stage.  If you look at the SSE Hydro (Glasgow) seating map, it makes no sense for the main stage to be where the Red Zone is.  It has to be at the other end so more people can see them from the front and not the back.     

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Darn it! :wacko: I got seats at section 123 at the Forum for one of the Los Angeles shows and I was assuming I would have a front view of the stage. 

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Just wanted to add the info from Ticketmaster next to RED ZONE(?), when you view the (?) you get the info below, which may support that the RED ZONE is not on the opposite end of the stage/cat walk, but more connected to the actual stage:

 

<<(RED) Zone Ticket gives you access to an exclusive VIP area directly adjacent to the Stage with special amenities and dedicated staff, all while raising money in support of (RED) and the Global Fund to fight AIDS in Africa. Exclusive features include barricaded area adjacent to the Stage; Extremely limited capacity; VIP Entrance to the venue; An opportunity to be selected for a pre show backstage tour; Access to the (RED) Zone refreshment stand.>>

Yeah, TM says that, but they can still say that if it's next to the b-stage, which it apparently is.  Again, most evidence suggests this: 1) The best, most informative diagrams we have of the stage--see the SAP San Jose diagram from the venue (not TM); see also the Amsterdam diagram, not to mention lots of the other Europe maps (in which the main stage couldn't possibly be where the RZs are), all support this idea; and 2) Lots of people who've gotten "limited visibility" warnings on certain tix at locations which would make no sense if the main stage was by the RZs (i.e., the warnings are mostly for seats at the other end from the RZs).

 

Now, I agree that we don't know for absolute sure, and won't until maybe the shows actually start.  But the preponderance of evidence clearly supports that the RZs are not by the main stage.  Here's two more pieces of evidence: 1) On the 360 tour, GA could get right by the stage--the RZs were outside of that (i.e., not next to the stage, but rather the outer "heart" catwalk).  It's unlikely that U2 wants RZs to be inherently closer to the main stage than regular GA could be; and 2) The RZs only hold 50 on each side; right by the stage would normally have many more folks getting that close.  Oh, and finally, if the RZs WERE against the main stage, they could easily sell them for twice the current rate.

 

So yes, we could use some clarity!!

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I know that in the 360 tour the Red Zone was not right next to the main stage...but along the outer circle...see image...

 

So I could see where it may not necessarily be right along the "A" stage...

 

How did one get inside the CIRCLE in the 360 tour?  Thats GA and also the ones outside the circle are GA (in the Vertigo tour tickets were scanned and randomly chosen)

 

First come, first served (for 360).  But the circle was huge; you could often show up at 5:00 or 6:00 and still make it in (!).  On this (arena) tour, we have no idea (yet) if there will even be something like a circle at all!

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Looking at seating maps for SAP Center, Ziggo Dome, and The SSE Hydro, I also think that the Red Zone will be by the "B" stage and it will be at the opposite end of the Main stage.  That's unfortunate because I have Red Zone for Vancouver2 and I would have wished to be closer to the Main stage.  I agree with Zoonation76 that they want the GA around the Main stage because they want to feed off of their energy.  If the capacity for Red Zone is 50 people per section then it would be too sparse from an energy and aesthetic point of view to be that close to the Main stage.  I think with the stage set up everyone will have a good seat at some point in the concert (since the band will be moving around), however, I wish the stage set up was made more clear before everyone started purchasing tickets.

What he said.  At the same time, I think the RZ will still be a blast.  I'm going to try for RZ for Chicago 3 and either NYC 5 or 6 (probably fat chance--this will be in regular onsale).

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You still may have good seats..  No word yet on where the actual main stage will be.  I am going to the Forum show and have seats in Section 118 Row 3.  That is only 3 rows from the floor, so it's hard to imagine that seats would be sold there if there was going to be a mainstage there.  My tickets don't say 'obstructed view', so I'm still presuming that the stage will be in the center of the arena.  I may be wrong, but I'm hoping.

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You still may have good seats..  No word yet on where the actual main stage will be.  I am going to the Forum show and have seats in Section 118 Row 3.  That is only 3 rows from the floor, so it's hard to imagine that seats would be sold there if there was going to be a mainstage there.  My tickets don't say 'obstructed view', so I'm still presuming that the stage will be in the center of the arena.  I may be wrong, but I'm hoping.

Hmm--interesting.  Were your Forum/Section 118 tix full price?  Or less?  That will be a major clue.  Also, on the last couple of tours, the main stage has been "open", so it's not like the view from behind the main stage is seriously obstructed; more like one sees them from the rear most of the time in that situation.  So again, were your tix full price, or less?

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Lower seats tickets behind the end of stage where RZ is located are more expensive than lower seats tickets in the other side.

 

Any clue?

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You still may have good seats..  No word yet on where the actual main stage will be.  I am going to the Forum show and have seats in Section 118 Row 3.  That is only 3 rows from the floor, so it's hard to imagine that seats would be sold there if there was going to be a mainstage there.  My tickets don't say 'obstructed view', so I'm still presuming that the stage will be in the center of the arena.  I may be wrong, but I'm hoping.

Hmm--interesting.  Were your tix full price?  Or less?  That will be a major clue.

 

They were not the full price tickets.  $118 seats.  I was curious why they were so cheap being so close to the floor. I may now know if they are behind the stage...but again...the ticket does not say 'obstructed view'.  Yes...very interesting.

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Lower seats tickets behind the end of stage where RZ is located are more expensive than lower seats tickets in the other side.

 

Any clue?

Yes, or at least I think so.  It suggests that tix behind the RZ are NOT obstructed (or have a rear view) for the main stage.  And, if the main stage were by the RZ, tickets on that end WOULD be obstructed/rear view (because the main stage, whichever end it's at, will "point" toward the GA floor), or at least less desirable because the band would mostly be facing the other way (even if not obstructed per se).   But, these tix are full price (or at least more expensive than corresponding tix on the other end).  The reverse logic applies to tix on the other end--they're relatively less expensive, because folks there will mainly be looking at the band from the back.  Ergo, more likely that the main stage is on the other end from the RZ.

 

Oh, and the fact that Artist Rada's tix don't say "obstructed view" again suggests an "open" stage layout.  So maybe the actual "obstructed view" tix (which do exist at various venues) may refer to being partially blocked by one of the various big screens (?).

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Lower seats tickets behind the end of stage where RZ is located are more expensive than lower seats tickets in the other side.

 

Any clue?

Yes, or at least I think so.  It suggests that tix behind the RZ are NOT obstructed (or have a rear view) for the main stage.  And, if the main stage were by the RZ, tickets on that end WOULD be obstructed/rear view (because the main stage, whichever end it's at, will "point" toward the GA floor), or at least less desirable because the band would mostly be facing the other way (even if not obstructed per se).   But, these tix are full price (or at least more expensive than corresponding tix on the other end).  The reverse logic applies to tix on the other end--they're relatively less expensive, because folks there will mainly be looking at the band from the back.  Ergo, more likely that the main stage is on the other end from the RZ.

 

Oh, and the fact that Artist Rada's tix don't say "obstructed view" again suggests an "open" stage layout.  So maybe the actual "obstructed view" tix (which do exist at various venues) may refer to being partially blocked by one of the various big screens (?).

 

 

Nice point of view. If you are correct RZ will not be a good place to stay, right?

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Good question.  If I had bought RZ thinking that they were next to the main stage, what I'd probably do (if the above is right) is get into the RZ as soon as it opens (probably shortly after they begin letting in regular GA), and leave the RZ to get the best main stage position in regular GA I could.  If an RZ person did this, they'd always have the option of going back to the RZ whenever they wanted (although once they did, forget about trying to reclaim one's spot at the other end of the floor in regular GA).  On the other hand, it does seem like RZ WILL be right by the b-stage, and so when the band comes there (probably for 3-4 songs, something like that), you'd be golden, which is cool.  Plus, the RZ will be way more comfortable, convenient, etc. than regular GA (at least any regular GA close to the main stage, for sure).  So maybe it's worth it just to stay there, depending on one's priorities.

 

I remember one time on the 360 tour I had RZ, and then realized that I could go into regular GA.  They had just started letting GA in a short while before, so I was able to get basically perfect position dead center in the heart (maybe 5 rows back; since the stage was high, IMHO this was ideal).  I loved it, and didn't think twice about going back to the RZ.  At the same time, I eventually figured out (on the 360 stadium tour) that one could get into the heart no problem even when arriving fairly late (say, 4:00-5:00 or even later sometimes), and still end up toward the back of the heart dead center.  So I didn't get RZ again; just regular GA, and was a very happy camper.  Actually, looking forward to this on the 2016 stadium leg.

 

So, if all this obsessing about the main stage being opposite the RZ is correct, one could view (if one wanted to) the RZ ticket as a convenient way to get super-good regular GA position in front of the main stage, without having to wait for 12 hours ahead of time.

 

Yet another unclear thing (a big deal, actually), however,  is whether there will be anything like a heart/ellipse by the main stage on this tour at all, as was the case w/Elevation, Vertigo, and the 360 tours.  The great thing about having a heart-type area is, once you're there, you get a special wristband so you can come and go from the heart (albeit w/difficulty, and sometimes losing your position in the heart).  And, more importantly, the heart was limited to X people, so although crowded, you didn't have to worry about truly horrible crushing situations--and, even though you could lose some position by going to the bathroom or whatever, you'd at least be able to get back into the heart, which maintained a lot of your good position.  If there's no heart at all, then trying to be close to the main stage is even more of a problem--particularly if you need to leave and come back.

 

Unfortunately, my money is on there being no "heart" this time around.  Seems unlikely with this huge catwalk going all the way from the main stage to the b-stage.  Although, maybe they still could--it'd look like a couple of semicircles on either side of the catwalk (a "divided" heart, as it were).  Beats me.  On the 360 tour, we had both a heart AND RZs on either side of it; somehow it seems unlikely that we'll have both in arena settings.  Well, once the Vancouver gigs happen, we'll know for sure.

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I am going to the show with my wife. 

My priorities are to be comfortable and close to the band. Don't need to the in the first row, just close to the band.

I don't want to stay hours ahead of time in the queue. I guess it is not necessary in RZ, right? Also I guess RZ is much less crowded than GA, right? 

 

Reading you post I think it would be a good idea to stay in RZ.

 

Nice to know that I can go to GA and back to RZ how many times I want!

 

In Vertigo tour (stadium) I stayed in GA, very crowed and stayed far from stage. And I stayed for hours in the queue before the show.

It was not a good experience.

 

Will you have to wait Vancouver to know about the stage? Will it not be announced before? 

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Yeah, if I were you, I'd probably stay in the RZ.  Especially w/no "heart", staying super-close to the main stage in GA is a demanding experience.  And also, yes, you don't have to wait in line nearly as long for a good spot in the RZ, and it's way less crowded, for sure.  I'd suggest, however, being there when the RZ opens (probably c. 5-5:30), because in the past, some RZ spots have been significantly better than others.  The only downside is, if the main stage really is on the other end from the RZ, then most of the time you won't be particularly close to the band.  On the other hand, arenas are much smaller than stadiums, so you still wouldn't be super-far away.

 

As far as when we'll finally know for sure about the stage, beats me.  Certainly the info released so far is confusing, at least unless one does a lot of sleuthing.  I'd love to know before the last general onsale on Monday, but I doubt we will.

 

By the way, which show are you going to?

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I've been to every tour since PopMart, and I've seen U2 from a lot of angles and elevations (pardon the pun). I saw two 360 shows from the confines of the Red Zone. Here's how I see it (and I should preface this by stating that I have RZ tix for MTL4 this time around)

 

On this tour, like it or not, the purpose of the Red Zone is to help monetize the back of the floor. Look at any GA floor setup. A crush of fans at the front near the main stage, which eventually tails off as you progress to the rear of the floor sections past the soundboard (the location of which is actually a killer spot to watch a show BTW) We witnessed this on 360, I experienced it many times on the last several Springsteen tours etc. The back of the house leaves a significant amount of real estate unused. On this tour, at approx. 86.xx per person on the floor, that's quite a bit of missed revenue...

 

BUT

 

Introduce a B-Stage into that area with a band like U2 who can make an arena feel like Irving Plaza, raise the ticket price, put in a few amenities like booze and t-shirts, and put the infrastructure in place to allow ease of access for those folks who can't/won't/shouldn't queue all day, along with a feel-good contribution to Africa and the potential promise of a quickie backstage walkabout, and you've just increased your yield from that previously dead real estate.

 

Are the RZ seats the absolute best seats in the house for the whole show? No. For a few songs? Yes. Will it be a great experience when it's all added up? More than likely. Based on the original layout I saw of the stage, I snapped up the Red Zone on the presale today thinkin it was beside the main stage. However the more I look at it and ponder, I know that's not the case. However, my wife is 5ft tall and I'm 5'7". Regular GA is useless to us. We're too short. She wanted a fun floor experience for a U2 arena show, so RZ is the only option for us. i dont really care anout the frills, i care about the show. We're doing 2 nights in the lower bowl at MSG so we'll get another perspective from there as well.

 

Bottom line, I feel that the economic driver of the RZ is to monetize the previously marginally profitable back of the floor on this tour (Guy Oseary anyone?) just as it helped tweak the outside rail of the 360 tour. This is where modern convenience and modern tour economics intersect. So enjoy the show and enjoy your short lines for refreshments and quick access to tour merchandise. Be thankful that our favorite band is still around to showcase their eXPERIENCE on all levels.....we're a long way from selling t-shirts on the ZOO-TV tour to break even ;-)

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