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So... This Joshua Tree Tour Thing...

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I'm of course excited for U2 to be doing something this year but I'm rather bummed by what it is they intend to do, even if it's the Joshua Tree. While I completely get it from a commercial standpoint (JT was HUGE) I was really hoping for some kind of POP retrospective - maybe actually "finishing" the album. I feel like the sounds and the imagery actually fit better today than it did back in 1997. It bums me out that when U2 gets backward looking (which they claim they never do) they seem to gloss over everything from 1993-1997. That was my favorite period! And they already did something with the Joshua Tree.

 

On top of that, how is this going to coincide with the release/promotion of SOE? Are they not doing a tour in support of that? I'm really confused.

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^^ Rolling Stone 

they've already said that SOE isn't coming out till fall (winter?) 2017, which likely means 2018 and SOE tour 2018- this transitions from SOI to SOE.  JT was arguably the last of innocence went they chopped it down to experience.   Also wouldn't be surprised if LiveNation said they needed to fulfill touring requirement and this does that as well. 

What 2016 taught me is that if you have a chance to see your favorite band (artist) play/perform- do it!  They (and us) aren't getting any younger.  
 

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Valid points. Just kind of a bummer is all.

 

Also I was really thinking SOE was coming this spring.

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*skips by singing...

 

There's a Tour Coming!

There's a Tour Coming!!

:rolleyes:   :rolleyes:
 

:rolleyes:  :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:

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I'm annoyed that Pop seems to be getting snubbed. Granted the album isn't quite as ground breaking as TJT was back in the '80s, but far more so than the albums that followed it.

 

We're so embarrassed about Pop here's Beautiful Day for the billionth time!

 

I consider 1987-1997 to be their golden era, so both albums fit into that window. There's great stuff either side of it, but that's their most solid work imo.

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Indeed and agree. All I've read shows that's this seems to be a "brilliant" idea for concert requirements and livenation. Some of you may remember the Days of "evil Ticketmaster" and this smells the same.

 

U2 / apple / livenation / some new platform and that is being tied to SOI it all mends together to mean more revenue for livenation in the days of artists not making as much. U2 is a cash cow.

 

POP isn't an Interest generator to the "casual" fan and added In with zooropa most would be like WTH. A smallish venue gig to celebrate those two albums would only satisfy a very small group of hardcore fans, myself included.

 

So alas, we are stuck dreaming of the impossible, but hey at least we are dreaming out loud.

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Hope we get a bit of Silver and Gold, Sweetest Thing & Spanish Eyes etc thrown in. Like if they just do JT, IT'LL BE A FAIRLY SHORT GIG!  ;)

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Indeed and agree. All I've read shows that's this seems to be a "brilliant" idea for concert requirements and livenation. Some of you may remember the Days of "evil Ticketmaster" and this smells the same.

 

U2 / apple / livenation / some new platform and that is being tied to SOI it all mends together to mean more revenue for livenation in the days of artists not making as much. U2 is a cash cow.

 

POP isn't an Interest generator to the "casual" fan and added In with zooropa most would be like WTH. A smallish venue gig to celebrate those two albums would only satisfy a very small group of hardcore fans, myself included.

 

So alas, we are stuck dreaming of the impossible, but hey at least we are dreaming out loud.

I do totally agree with this from the business standpoint. As in, looking at it from a money-making business sense a JT tour would certainly make more money than, say, a POP tour. But, I'm not arguing for THAT. I guess I'm just disappointed that instead of a remaster and reissue of POP we're getting a second JT tour, and a third (fourth if you count the best of) retrospective of the JT era. Why not chuck a POP reissue out to fans? They did it with October!

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Whilst I am happy to see the band on tour again, I feel it is not right to tour the Joshua Tree. The band has made promise after promise regarding SOE and now it is likely they'll have a creative streak in 2017 and postpone SOE until 2018 or beyond.  It is better to under promise and over deliver - U2 please take note.

They need to complete SOE fully and then consider touring with the Joshua Tree. 

 

Whilst being in the UK is great, I feel for fans in Australia, South America,  South Africa, NZ and the far east. We can get selfish in Europe and the USA. I'd be happy for them to tour there first - even with the Joshua Tree to give our brothers and sisters there a chance to see the band.

 

I appreciate the changing Political climate and relevance of the Joshua Tree. In my mind that album is firmly set in the late 80s - I listen to it to remind me of that era. If the songs have relevance again, then pull them into the SOE shows - don't re-invent something you have done perfectly. 

 

Having said all this, I will be eagerly using my presales code like everyone else!

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Look. Everyone has their own favorite U2 era. I agree that a Pop re-issue or even re-invention would be incredible, but let's be real: The Joshua Tree and Achtung Baby are by far their biggest albums. By far. Not even close. The casual music fan who might like U2 somewhat will know songs from those albums. A lot of casual fans didn't care for Pop. Case in point - for the first time in their career (save the very early days of the band), U2 had trouble selling out Popmart shows. The masses want the JT/AB stuff, and that's what sells out stadiums. It really only makes sense that if they do a retrospective tour, it is JT.

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Whilst being in the UK is great, I feel for fans in Australia, South America, South Africa, NZ and the far east. We can get selfish in Europe and the USA. I'd be happy for them to tour there first - even with the Joshua Tree to give our brothers and sisters there a chance to see the band.

With the album's connection to NZ you'd think they'd be included.

 

Maybe they'll add more dates later, after the European dates it's pretty much near the end of footy season and before the start of cricket season so it would be the perfect time. Personally I'd prefer TJT over I&E if I had the choice.

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 wonder if Paul thinks this heritage tour is a good idea? wonder if he would have pushed for finishing some music that has been mentioned for what is turning into years now

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*skips by singing...

 

There's a Tour Coming!

There's a Tour Coming!!

:rolleyes:   :rolleyes:

 

:rolleyes:  :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:

and I skip by singing...."play Bad....play Bad...." haha

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I'm of course excited for U2 to be doing something this year but I'm rather bummed by what it is they intend to do, even if it's the Joshua Tree. While I completely get it from a commercial standpoint (JT was HUGE) I was really hoping for some kind of POP retrospective - maybe actually "finishing" the album. I feel like the sounds and the imagery actually fit better today than it did back in 1997. It bums me out that when U2 gets backward looking (which they claim they never do) they seem to gloss over everything from 1993-1997. That was my favorite period! And they already did something with the Joshua Tree.

 

On top of that, how is this going to coincide with the release/promotion of SOE? Are they not doing a tour in support of that? I'm really confused.

I would have liked SOE and dont really believe the JT30 hype -inc. the rushed look and feel to the tour publicity flyer, video, etc.

 

My view I think JT is being used to create interest in the band to sell SOE off the back of - As there was a risk that SOE would be lost in the noise of the current throw away Pop culture because SOE wasnt completed in the originally announced time frame. I may be wrong but thats what the cynic in me says. That said looking forward to seeing a show or two of the JT30.

 

 

But totally agree we need more Pop, U2's greatest album and tour in my view .... love it Remaster .... Please!

 

I want to say this in a nice way and hope it comes out as such ... U2 spend more time in the studio making music instead of instagraming your holiday snaps.

 

.... dont believe the hype ....

Edited by joshthetree

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Has the I+E tour finished?

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I'm of course excited for U2 to be doing something this year but I'm rather bummed by what it is they intend to do, even if it's the Joshua Tree. While I completely get it from a commercial standpoint (JT was HUGE) I was really hoping for some kind of POP retrospective - maybe actually "finishing" the album. I feel like the sounds and the imagery actually fit better today than it did back in 1997. It bums me out that when U2 gets backward looking (which they claim they never do) they seem to gloss over everything from 1993-1997. That was my favorite period! And they already did something with the Joshua Tree.

 

On top of that, how is this going to coincide with the release/promotion of SOE? Are they not doing a tour in support of that? I'm really confused.

I would have liked SOE and dont really believe the JT30 hype -inc. the rushed look and feel to the tour publicity flyer, video, etc.

 

My view I think JT is being used to create interest in the band to sell SOE off the back of - As there was a risk that SOE would be lost in the noise of the current throw away Pop culture because SOE wasnt completed in the originally announced time frame. I may be wrong but thats what the cynic in me says. That said looking forward to seeing a show or two of the JT30.

 

 

But totally agree we need more Pop, U2's greatest album and tour in my view .... love it Remaster .... Please!

 

I want to say this in a nice way and hope it comes out as such ... U2 spend more time in the studio making music instead of instagraming your holiday snaps.

 

.... dont believe the hype ....

 

+1

They should have focused on SOE - putting this JT tour out will be commercially a success, but creatively it is going BACKWARD. It is an unclear message from a band that once  proud itself on reinventing and being innovative. Perhaps a limited small scale JT reboot would have been good rather than slap it into the middle of SOI and SOE.

 

JT30 isn't a surprise -  everyone knew it would be 30 years in 2017. Yes the changing political landscape is impacting the world but really? Is that why U2 thought it would be great to tour with it again in 2017?

I often find fans go wild at the slightest mention of any tour. Yes it is good to see the band in person but we really need to be more critical (some are which is good) because that is what drives them to do BETTER. I agree with the poster above that is is to make £, meet commercial obligations and generate interest. 

 

No doubt it will be a good tour and we will all be raving about hearing the songs again. I would give up seeing them on the JT30 tour if they spent that time in the STUDIO making SOE  their greatest creative work - something to surpass the JT. To me that is the mark of greatness - not looking back at what you did before.

 

Perhaps I am a middle aged grumpy man! However, I still want to feel the way I did when hear JT, Acthung Baby for the first times. Blown away by something that is lights years ahead of whatever else was around at the time. U2 need to do that with SOE. 

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I'm just going to leave this here.  This was on Sub gift "Medium, Rare and Unreleased" several years ago.  It's originally from the Joshua Tree recording sessions.  Notice the name.  I think this has been thought about for a while.

 

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Crackin' Mich. I remember that. Just thinking how that as an intro would lead so stunningly into 'Streets' as song No.1 on the tour. :)

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The promo photo being used was (allegedly) shot in 2015. Unless they were just goofing around that day and said "Hey, let's recreate the JT cover for kicks" I am also skeptical that this tour was just thrown together as a result of Trump's election.

 

But I don't care: gonna see U2 again this year!

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Amrit: exactly.

Love Joshua Tree and the band but definitely NOT going to see a gig of milking joshua tree.

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PS. Joshua Tree tour was the first one I managed to see U2 live.

Then Zoo TV. My best U2 gig I suppose.

 

During the last tour made a mistake to do the same place to see the band when 1992.

 

And now Joshua in 1987 

no, I do not want to see it again, no way.

It was my 1st ever band gig abroad far from perfect cos we did not get close to the stage but however, the time and the vibe

with thousands of people humming how long to sing this song walking from the arena. 

 

Last time when I saw them I was alone on the bridge of Stockholm, in 92 there were thousands.

And of course, now there will be thousands

but for me 

U2 is too precious to feel the sadness

I could not go to a Joshua Tree with an image in my mind of young bono and a band broken through

nowadays it is only like bourgeois millionaires doing the job to keep their mansions

 

no.

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Commercially U2  have to top the Joshua Tree, not try to regrow it. They are striving to leave a legacy and creative pile of music against which they will be judged.

I don't see how 2017's Joshua Tree tour can be a "creative" success. Life is short - why are they wasting it with pushing out stuff done before. No matter how you dress up the stage, the songs have been sang before (albeit we want to hear one or two they haven't played live). The more I think about it, the more I am feeling it is a mistake. When you remember any prior album or tour, it's firmly framed in your mind from that part of your life. Now it will be a case of "Joshua Tree? Oh yeah which tour do you mean? The old one or the one they did again in 2017".  

 

The U2 I know and love used to reinvent itself. Challenge the norms and push the boundaries of what is possible. 

I don't want them to become a heritage act - they need to hang their guitars before that happens. What you do guys think?

 

Releasing a 30 year anniversary box set with "new" material is fine  but not touring it makes no creative sense at all. I don't believe any of the hype. Yes it is a U2 tour and we are going to like it. But wouldn't you rather hear new material that is relevant now?

 

It's too late now as the tour is booked, If I could have a word with them I'd say "please get back in that Studio and make SOE poignant and reflective of the troubled times we find ourselves :( . Don't replant the Joshua Tree! You spent the 90s chopping it down. Leave it well alone. We love it and it will always be remembered..."

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Something that can get lost in these existential analyses of whether the tour should be...most people under ~45 years old were too young to have seen the original Joshua Tree tour.  Probably at least half the people in attendance will be in this age category, including myself (Popmart was my first show).  I'm thrilled to get to see a Joshua Tree tour, cause I never got to see one before, and the tour was the stuff of legends.  I'll be happy to see what it was all about, even if Bono can't hit some of those notes anymore.

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But wouldn't you rather hear new material that is relevant now?

Normally I would say yes. At this stage of U2's career I'd rather hear great songs that haven't been played live in decades (or ever) than the "new" songs which will never get played again.

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