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joshthetree    42

You glorify the past....when the future dries up........?

Good quote! plus "peeling off those dollar bills ..."

 

Yes they chopped the tree down in the 90s - and weren't very fkattering about it in From the Sky Down to boot.

 

Perhaps it might be a big publicity stunt to unveil Songs of Experience in the second set?

 

I love U2 and I love the joshua tree, but would I prefer to hear new material and have a new album? You bet!

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Sigma957    2

I think they should make an exception and play a full band version of "When I Look At the World" at each show. Its sound is classic Joshua Tree in the intro. I always felt it should have been the first track on 'All That You Can't Leave Behind'. Also "Deep In the Heart" should get some genuine live full band version.

 

Joshua Tree 1987 is where I began and hopefully Joshua Tree tour 2017 is not where I end.

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Sigma957    2

Commercially U2  have to top the Joshua Tree, not try to regrow it. They are striving to leave a legacy and creative pile of music against which they will be judged.

I don't see how 2017's Joshua Tree tour can be a "creative" success. Life is short - why are they wasting it with pushing out stuff done before. No matter how you dress up the stage, the songs have been sang before (albeit we want to hear one or two they haven't played live). The more I think about it, the more I am feeling it is a mistake. When you remember any prior album or tour, it's firmly framed in your mind from that part of your life. Now it will be a case of "Joshua Tree? Oh yeah which tour do you mean? The old one or the one they did again in 2017".  

 

The U2 I know and love used to reinvent itself. Challenge the norms and push the boundaries of what is possible. 

I don't want them to become a heritage act - they need to hang their guitars before that happens. What you do guys think?

 

Releasing a 30 year anniversary box set with "new" material is fine  but not touring it makes no creative sense at all. I don't believe any of the hype. Yes it is a U2 tour and we are going to like it. But wouldn't you rather hear new material that is relevant now?

 

It's too late now as the tour is booked, If I could have a word with them I'd say "please get back in that Studio and make SOE poignant and reflective of the troubled times we find ourselves :( . Don't replant the Joshua Tree! You spent the 90s chopping it down. Leave it well alone. We love it and it will always be remembered..."

 

I disagree with your entire post. U2 are not relevant in music anymore whether you want to believe it or not. They should just make great music and play it all live. WHICH  THEY DON'T.

 

This tour (if they actually keep their promise) will be the first time EVER that they actually played an entire album at one show. For U2, that's new territory.

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joshthetree    42

I think they should make an exception and play a full band version of "When I Look At the World" at each show. Its sound is classic Joshua Tree in the intro. I always felt it should have been the first track on 'All That You Can't Leave Behind'. Also "Deep In the Heart" should get some genuine live full band version.

 

Joshua Tree 1987 is where I began and hopefully Joshua Tree tour 2017 is not where I end.

'When I Look At the World' is a great track would love to hear that live. 'Deep in the Heart' is terrific to, 'Race Against Time' maybe as a setlist finale

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People sure do have specific ideas of what the band "should" do.  You know what?  They can do whatever the hell feels right to them at the time.  If you're not happy with it, quit your bitching and just stay home.  

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Manohlive    0

  If we are going back to 1987...why not have Lone Justice open the tour with Shelter?  Do the whole album?   It's one of my all time favorites and Maria McKee's name is on the current back issue of Propoganda  which is being featured.  Am I the only one who knows this band? 

  If they were going to do an anniversary tour...this is the obvious one.  I'd love it if they did TJT and Achtung Baby in two different sets but then the stadiums wouldn't be selling out, now would they?  I think Please is one of the most underrated songs of all time.  I'd love to see them do Zooropa. 

  I have a feeling there are surprises ahead which nobody can predict or even conceive.  That's what they do best.

  As for them not being relevant in music anymore; why were we all so freaked about getting tickets?  I disagree.  I watch the audiences and there are always more youngsters appearing.  One could argue music is not relevant any longer.  Nobody pays for it save those of us who think they should get paid for the cds.  Tix would not be $300 if all did. 

  I'm just happy they added a second night in Chicago.  I'm gonna nab a GA the day of the show and go see whatever gem they give to the Windy City because it's always something and it's usually Bad.  Ever go to a U2 gig and say, "I hope they play Bad tonight.", (rather loudly) and look at all the confused faces listening?  Most don't even know the song and I listen to it daily and it's still the song I most want to hear.  It's even more fun to be able to say, "They played Bad last night.", and see all the worried faces thinking U2 is gonna suck live the one tour they finally decide to go see them.  It's late.  I've been writing for 12 hours.  Perhaps this will be deleted in the morning.

  I was not expecting this tour at first.  Once it starts, I think we'll all be happy.  Albeit disjointed...that's my take.

  Pop is always brought up as Gender did, and I agree, but no matter what they do, it's going to be amazing.  I want SOE too.

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joshthetree    42

People sure do have specific ideas of what the band "should" do.  You know what?  They can do whatever the hell feels right to them at the time.  If you're not happy with it, quit your bitching and just stay home.

 

Dont think fans are bitching here, just kicking around a few ideas, views, opinions.

 

Heres another quote for you ."Am I bugging you? Didn't mean to bug you. Okay Edge, play the blues!"

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Max Tsukino    76

People sure do have specific ideas of what the band "should" do.  You know what?  They can do whatever the hell feels right to them at the time.  If you're not happy with it, quit your bitching and just stay home.  

 

Please keep the discussion civil... thanks.

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Anjana    381

Who cares, U2 are touring, i get to see them again, I love them, 40 years on and still going strong, no complaints, no debate, it's Quite simple, I'm going and I'm going to sing my heart out.

 

U2 joy, nothing like it:D

Enjoy it while we still have it

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joshthetree    42

"Race Against Time" would be cool too. I liked all the JT b-sides.

Yes they were all fab. Also the album tracks released on various others were grear too like 'Jesus Christ' off a Vision Shared, 'Christmas Baby'off a Very Special Christmas and 'Sweet Fire of Love' and 'Testimony' from Robbie Robertson's album. Theres also a good cover of 'The Sweetest Thing' on the Scrooged OST album by New Voices of Freedom of the same period. Great music happy days.

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joshthetree    42

Who cares, U2 are touring, i get to see them again, I love them, 40 years on and still going strong, no complaints, no debate, it's Quite simple, I'm going and I'm going to sing my heart out.

U2 joy, nothing like it:D

Enjoy it while we still have it

Cool hope you have a great time =0)

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Anjana    381

Valid points. Just kind of a bummer is all.

 

Also I was really thinking SOE was coming this spring.

I'm treating the JT tour as a warm up for the real thing;)

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Amrit    2

You glorify the past....when the future dries up........?

That rings true...

 

Some good discussions from everyone here and all opinions (nice ones) are good ones.   I appreciate some fans may not have seen earlier tours and sure always good to see them live.

 

The thought I like to leave you all  with is "Will SOE be their defining album? The one that topples ATB and JT in terms of commercial success? One hopes it is and that the time spent doing the JT 2017 tour isn't something that could have been used to make SOE even better.

 

 

What makes a great U2 album become one that we will cherish? Answer: Pressure, conflict and self-doubt. 

If you think back they always delivered the goods when under pressure and challenged either by the critics or their own self doubt. The Joshua tree came out of them feeling they were not real musicians. Pre-JT, U2 were a raw energetic young band fighting to establish themselves on the World stage. They were big but not really as well known as other greats.  They went away to discover harmonies, the blues...and wrote those songs you will hear again in a few months. 

 

Then in the late 80s, the critics tore them apart for Rattle and Hum. They were made out to be the boring clean cut band trying to save the world. Self righteous, etc.  The result...a time of confusion and self-doubt at the end of the 80s. They went away and through probably one of their most challenging periods gave birth to Achtung Baby ushering in a new era of irony and Rock and Roll. Underneath all that glamour, it was U2 having the last laugh because their passion for their personal causes remained strong. It just found a new vehicle in which to reach out and make a difference.

 

Roll forward to ATYCLB - they felt like giants of the past. Confined to the stadiums. What did they do? Small arena gigs to "reclaim their fans". Striped down music, no efforts just the guys on stage reconnecting with their fans and picking up new ones. Again a successful album and tour because there was a purpose behind what they set out to achieve. It was strong enough for them to stay on course.

 

And now 2011+, I see a lack of direction and purpose.  SOI and SOE?..no just SOI and then we will do SOE a year later because most of the songs are ready.  Then no, we are going away to do some writing because we've had a creative spurt...Then yes dust off the Joshua Tree because it is relevant again.... As someone above said, they can do what they want. That's true. But this is U2 and we know they have a connection with their fans to release great music.  They don't want to be a heritage act (not just yet!). They want to be creative and push the envelope as far as it can go...and push it even further... That,  for U2 means there needs to be inherent challenges and outside forces to drive them to greatness. They need to be pushed into a corner like a boxer. Against the ropes, trying to find a way out. If that happens,  we just might have something much bigger than the sum of its parts. Bigger than U2 itself.... We have seen them do that in the past. I want to see it in the future.

I see the JT 2017 tour as a distraction for them. Something we often do when we don't want to face what we should really be doing.

 

 

SOE will be good. I don't doubt that. I am just  not sure(at this stage)  if it will be epic... well let's hope it is...

 

Good night and see you in London on the 8th.

 

Phone is ringing..Looks like Bono telling me to stop my nagging as he has a plan up his sleeve...

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Manohlive    0

Lone Justice really good band they supported U2 at the Wembley Stadium show I went to =0)

Thanks. One person at least. Loved them. Her solo albums have some great stuff too. Springsteen used a few of them when he toured behind Lucky Town/Human Touch.

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Manohlive    0

Hey Amrit, great piece of writing -I like that alot

I agree with ya yet again. Great points.

I have talked with a number of fans in .Ilwaukee and they think the stage is going to be the IE stage. I said no and they mentioned the Paris show on HBO. Several of them now. Interesting.

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Something that can get lost in these existential analyses of whether the tour should be...most people under ~45 years old were too young to have seen the original Joshua Tree tour.  Probably at least half the people in attendance will be in this age category, including myself (Popmart was my first show).  I'm thrilled to get to see a Joshua Tree tour, cause I never got to see one before, and the tour was the stuff of legends.  I'll be happy to see what it was all about, even if Bono can't hit some of those notes anymore.

 

I agree with Countingbackwards on this because I am in the under -45 years old category of people who didn't get see the JT tour in '87, because I was too young then. My first gig of U2 was the Lovetown tour in 1990. I can't complain them touring the JT album again. I'm actually thrilled to get to see a JT tour and get to hear songs like Exit and In God's country for the first time live.

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