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10 hours ago, brendo1704 said:

It is just the guitar part at the end.  If I was a musician I could give you some chords I guess.  The sound of the guitar in the end, to me, sounds like the melody from is that all (is that aaaa-aaaa-aaaaalll".  

 

Yes...I am pretty much musical dufus.  Having said that I have great taste in music :)

 

brendo...

I didn't  intend to diminish your opinion or observation about comparing the similarity in sound between Is That All & TLTTGYA.....really....that wasn't my intention. I don't play a instrument, but, I do have a 'good ear' or memory for sounds. Just because I didn't hear it....doesn't mean I am right....by any stretch of the imagination!:D

Truthfully, U2  often utilizes the same 'chords'...and arranges them differently to create a new pattern of sounds.....kind of like the same letters create different 'words' arranged in a different order. ex. saw/was or ate/eat.

You probably have a good ear, better than many....and have picked up on this correlation of the same chords arranged in different patterns...but still the same chords!!!;)

Truthfully....I find myself attempting to place where have I heard that sound before...in which particular 'u2' song.....especially in SOE.....there is considerable overlapping in sounds. Its inevitable......especially after 40 years of making music.....its human nature to repeat what we re familiar with and know....even if its on a subconscious/subliminal level.....

 

 

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Can you imagine someone (like Bono) singing "Book of Your Heart" to you?!  Ultimate WOW!!!    He belts this one out with the same strength as in "Pride" in the days of the "Unforgettable Fire"....   I wonder if Ali ever sings back to him?!...  

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Any honest opinion is obviously legitimate , but one aspect of this album which I think is undeniable, is that it is an incredibly thoughtful album.

It's incredibly honest, nuanced in some metaphorical mis-directions and I suspect, likely written quickly.

Someone else here mentioned it seemed rushed. I think there is immense difference in rushing or pushing something out and being deeply inspired.

If you experienced those moments, you know how the words, actions, art...whatever it might be, just 'write' themselves. This is an age 50 something- WAR

There is such anguish and despair. There is hope, but its not naïve and may not be optimism per se. Just hope or a personal prayer possibly. It exists but isn't a guaranteed save.

 We all know the U2 character - esp Bono's, well enough after all these years to appreciate, the man has such deep soul and empathy - and evidently, is a tough enough dude to just go after those people or situations that cause so much harm.

I am loving it now. I didn't initially. But in knowing where these tunes come from and not getting any younger myself, we have to consider the message, don't let evil win in your community or in the world. Call it out. I couldn't agree more. And so I sing these songs ( privately in my car ! - if you heard my voice you would appreciate that ) and they become 4 dimensional. Cheers.

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24 minutes ago, economicformula said:

Any honest opinion is obviously legitimate , but one aspect of this album which I think is undeniable, is that it is an incredibly thoughtful album.

It's incredibly honest, nuanced in some metaphorical mis-directions and I suspect, likely written quickly.

Someone else here mentioned it seemed rushed. I think there is immense difference in rushing or pushing something out and being deeply inspired.

If you experienced those moments, you know how the words, actions, art...whatever it might be, just 'write' themselves. This is an age 50 something- WAR

There is such anguish and despair. There is hope, but its not naïve and may not be optimism per se. Just hope or a personal prayer possibly. It exists but isn't a guaranteed save.

 We all know the U2 character - esp Bono's, well enough after all these years to appreciate, the man has such deep soul and empathy - and evidently, is a tough enough dude to just go after those people or situations that cause so much harm.

I am loving it now. I didn't initially. But in knowing where these tunes come from and not getting any younger myself, we have to consider the message, don't let evil win in your community or in the world. Call it out. I couldn't agree more. And so I sing these songs ( privately in my car ! - if you heard my voice you would appreciate that ) and they become 4 dimensional. Cheers.

Beautiful post. Thank you for sharing. 

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On ‎03‎/‎01‎/‎2018 at 1:30 AM, BigBunny said:

I love Red Flag Day. I like most of the 2nd half of the album. when I read your post I had to look at he lyrics.

are you talking about the middle 8 where he says something about watching the News and many lost in the water?

Sorry, haven't been on here for a fortnight - didn't mean to ignore your question- Yes, this is what I meant.

Also, "The lights of Home" has really grown on me, "U2 at the BBC" helped as the performance of this song was just awesome.

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I've been a fan since 1984 and I think the last two records have been two of the strongest of the bands entire career. The I&E tour was utterly mind blowing. I saw the Joshua Tree tour in Rome and it showed how much confidence they currently have opening with a salvo of Sunday Bloody Sunday, New Year's Day, and Bad and then straight into Streets. I hope the set for E&I focuses more heavily on post Joshua Tree period  - I'd love to hear a few tracks from Zooropa and Pop, as well as Acrobat (the eternal wish), and Love is Blindness. Book of your Heart, Ordinary Love, and practically anything from SOE with the exception of 'Love is bigger than anything in its way'. I'd bet a fair amount they'll open with 'Love is all we have left' and 'The Blackout'....

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I think this album is definitely one on their poorest.The best song on the album for me is Landlady that's an absolute belter of a song.The only others that I think are very good are TLTTGYA,Blackout,Lights of Home and LIBTAIIW.

YTBTAM for me is quite possibly U2's worst song.I think the music is passable and catchy but the lyrics are absolutely woeful,that will defo be a toilet/bar break moment for me on the tour.GOOYOW is excellent minus the actual title of the song in the chorus,That's what spoils it a bit for me I just don't think it works all that well.American Soul is just pure cringe for me also I can't take to it.The rest of the songs do nothing for me and just feel like fillers although 1 or 2 might be alot better live.

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On 1/10/2018 at 5:21 PM, economicformula said:

Any honest opinion is obviously legitimate , but one aspect of this album which I think is undeniable, is that it is an incredibly thoughtful album.

It's incredibly honest, nuanced in some metaphorical mis-directions and I suspect, likely written quickly.

Someone else here mentioned it seemed rushed. I think there is immense difference in rushing or pushing something out and being deeply inspired.

If you experienced those moments, you know how the words, actions, art...whatever it might be, just 'write' themselves. This is an age 50 something- WAR

There is such anguish and despair. There is hope, but its not naïve and may not be optimism per se. Just hope or a personal prayer possibly. It exists but isn't a guaranteed save.

 We all know the U2 character - esp Bono's, well enough after all these years to appreciate, the man has such deep soul and empathy - and evidently, is a tough enough dude to just go after those people or situations that cause so much harm.

I am loving it now. I didn't initially. But in knowing where these tunes come from and not getting any younger myself, we have to consider the message, don't let evil win in your community or in the world. Call it out. I couldn't agree more. And so I sing these songs ( privately in my car ! - if you heard my voice you would appreciate that ) and they become 4 dimensional. Cheers.

I highlighted one line of yours because it is what is really catching me about the album, especially the end of what you wrote - lyrically, this is an album that Bono only could have written in very recent years. That is, these really are "Songs of Experience", with lyrics that one would need a lot of experience living to write convincingly. The suggestion given to Bono to "write as if you're dead" seems to have been followed very well.

I'll expound on the lyrics more later, but IMHO this is one of Bono's very best bits of writing. I really, really like the words (and the music :)

 

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On 10-1-2018 at 11:21 PM, economicformula said:

Any honest opinion is obviously legitimate , but one aspect of this album which I think is undeniable, is that it is an incredibly thoughtful album.

It's incredibly honest, nuanced in some metaphorical mis-directions and I suspect, likely written quickly.

Someone else here mentioned it seemed rushed. I think there is immense difference in rushing or pushing something out and being deeply inspired.

If you experienced those moments, you know how the words, actions, art...whatever it might be, just 'write' themselves. This is an age 50 something- WAR

There is such anguish and despair. There is hope, but its not naïve and may not be optimism per se. Just hope or a personal prayer possibly. It exists but isn't a guaranteed save.

 We all know the U2 character - esp Bono's, well enough after all these years to appreciate, the man has such deep soul and empathy - and evidently, is a tough enough dude to just go after those people or situations that cause so much harm.

I am loving it now. I didn't initially. But in knowing where these tunes come from and not getting any younger myself, we have to consider the message, don't let evil win in your community or in the world. Call it out. I couldn't agree more. And so I sing these songs ( privately in my car ! - if you heard my voice you would appreciate that ) and they become 4 dimensional. Cheers.

Could be my words!! I feel exactly the same!!!
Even the part of singing in the car alone, haha.

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I love everything that been shared on the BBC Show.

Anyone knows when it will be available to stream in Nordic Countries?

This albums grows for every time one listen. Will be interesting to see what other songs they will perform together with the Experience album.

agree with sazshackle and stealthboy, interesting also to read what others share. :)

 

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On 18/01/2018 at 4:06 PM, King_Of_Kings said:

I think this album is definitely one on their poorest.The best song on the album for me is Landlady that's an absolute belter of a song.The only others that I think are very good are TLTTGYA,Blackout,Lights of Home and LIBTAIIW.

YTBTAM for me is quite possibly U2's worst song.I think the music is passable and catchy but the lyrics are absolutely woeful,that will defo be a toilet/bar break moment for me on the tour.GOOYOW is excellent minus the actual title of the song in the chorus,That's what spoils it a bit for me I just don't think it works all that well.American Soul is just pure cringe for me also I can't take to it.The rest of the songs do nothing for me and just feel like fillers although 1 or 2 might be alot better live.

songs 2-6 on SOE are just ok for me & I expect great songs from U2. the opening track & songs from 7-13 are great (though The Showman is an exception, it's ok not great) when I first heard YTBTAM I was like, 'this is what U2 have been saving up for us? wtf? but now it's grown on me and I don't mind it. the song that I think is possibly U2's worst song is GOOYOW, it is bloody awful! <_< a rehash of Beautiful Day. I thought Beautiful Day was an overrated song but GOOYOW sucks! a slow start that builds up to a chorus that I couldn't give 2 craps about. I can't believe the band chose this song as the next single!! what are they thinking? are they thinking??  also American Soul, music is good, lyrics utter shite! :Zoo_Baby:

Bono, I'm tired of your obsession with the USA dude. b*tchin' about politics again, please spare me. I know others will say 'well U2 have always been political' yeah, I know and I'm fine with that. if there's a song that works like SBS, Raised By Wolves, Bullet The Blue Sky, feck yeah bring it on like Donkey Kong! but American Soul, the lyrics are just a b*tch fest about the USA. I'm not even American and it annoys me. 

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The video for 'get out of your own way' is awful.

Like cartoon cut outs - no live features of the band.

What happened the roof top leaks in Mexico City where it felt like a video was being made, with excitement.

Not impressed at all - and feck the US president - we all know he's a dick!

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14 hours ago, BigBunny said:

songs 2-6 on SOE are just ok for me & I expect great songs from U2. the opening track & songs from 7-13 are great (though The Showman is an exception, it's ok not great) when I first heard YTBTAM I was like, 'this is what U2 have been saving up for us? wtf? but now it's grown on me and I don't mind it. the song that I think is possibly U2's worst song is GOOYOW, it is bloody awful! <_< a rehash of Beautiful Day. I thought Beautiful Day was an overrated song but GOOYOW sucks! a slow start that builds up to a chorus that I couldn't give 2 craps about. I can't believe the band chose this song as the next single!! what are they thinking? are they thinking??  also American Soul, music is good, lyrics utter shite! :Zoo_Baby:

Bono, I'm tired of your obsession with the USA dude. b*tchin' about politics again, please spare me. I know others will say 'well U2 have always been political' yeah, I know and I'm fine with that. if there's a song that works like SBS, Raised By Wolves, Bullet The Blue Sky, feck yeah bring it on like Donkey Kong! but American Soul, the lyrics are just a b*tch fest about the USA. I'm not even American and it annoys me. 

When I had the notification that you quoted my post I was half expecting it to be from a fanboy/girl trying to slate me for slating the album,so thanks for your honesty it's refreshing on here from what I've seen already.I've never noticed the Beautiful Day rehash for GOOYOW but it's defo ringing a bell now that you've mentioned it,and don't get me started on Beautiful Day,it's a good song but also overrated for me too.

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5 hours ago, King_Of_Kings said:

When I had the notification that you quoted my post I was half expecting it to be from a fanboy/girl trying to slate me for slating the album,so thanks for your honesty it's refreshing on here from what I've seen already.I've never noticed the Beautiful Day rehash for GOOYOW but it's defo ringing a bell now that you've mentioned it,and don't get me started on Beautiful Day,it's a good song but also overrated for me too.

I am no Fangirl, no worries there lol :D if U2 do a song that I think sucks, then I'll say so. how are the band going to improve if we all just say 'yay, this album is fantastic!!' we'll just get more of the same stuff.

David Bowie was still making great music in his 50's & 60's, now I know U2 aren't anywhere near his class but lift your game fellas. the 2nd half of this album is great but tracks 4 & 5 *urgh* <_<

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It’s been over a month since SOE  was released and I’m still struggling to see it as anything but mediocre. NLOTH is still a more complete and better album than the 2 following it.

By far from being great but nowhere near as bad as Pop I’m unconvinced that any of us will be raving about it and asking for songs from it to be played live in 10 years.

I would agree that it’s more of an album than SOI. All the elements work well together. It’s just that there’s so little passion and energy to it, Blackout being the one exception and Red Flag Day being the prime example of what I mean.

i do quite like Love is all We Have Left, Love is Bigger and Little things is ok but not a patch on other loved U2 anthems. GOOYOW makes a good album track but not really a single  and You’re the Best thing is just bland.

I’m hoping the songs like with all their previous releases will be taken to another level when it comes to the upcoming tour. I’ve been incredibly lucky to hear and see a lot of songs I never thought I would at TJT and I&E tours. I wonder what surprises there will be?

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11 hours ago, adrnik said:

It’s been over a month since SOE  was released and I’m still struggling to see it as anything but mediocre. NLOTH is still a more complete and better album than the 2 following it.

By far from being great but nowhere near as bad as Pop I’m unconvinced that any of us will be raving about it and asking for songs from it to be played live in 10 years.

I would agree that it’s more of an album than SOI. All the elements work well together. It’s just that there’s so little passion and energy to it, Blackout being the one exception and Red Flag Day being the prime example of what I mean.

i do quite like Love is all We Have Left, Love is Bigger and Little things is ok but not a patch on other loved U2 anthems. GOOYOW makes a good album track but not really a single  and You’re the Best thing is just bland.

I’m hoping the songs like with all their previous releases will be taken to another level when it comes to the upcoming tour. I’ve been incredibly lucky to hear and see a lot of songs I never thought I would at TJT and I&E tours. I wonder what surprises there will be?

I was with you until I read 

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but nowhere near as bad as Pop

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12 hours ago, adrnik said:

It’s been over a month since SOE  was released and I’m still struggling to see it as anything but mediocre. NLOTH is still a more complete and better album than the 2 following it.

By far from being great but nowhere near as bad as Pop I’m unconvinced that any of us will be raving about it and asking for songs from it to be played live in 10 years.

I would agree that it’s more of an album than SOI. All the elements work well together. It’s just that there’s so little passion and energy to it, Blackout being the one exception and Red Flag Day being the prime example of what I mean.

i do quite like Love is all We Have Left, Love is Bigger and Little things is ok but not a patch on other loved U2 anthems. GOOYOW makes a good album track but not really a single  and You’re the Best thing is just bland.

I’m hoping the songs like with all their previous releases will be taken to another level when it comes to the upcoming tour. I’ve been incredibly lucky to hear and see a lot of songs I never thought I would at TJT and I&E tours. I wonder what surprises there will be?

I agree with a lot of what you’ve said, including about POP 👅.

But I didn’t understand what you said about Red Flag Day....

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1 hour ago, kastee said:

I agree with a lot of what you’ve said, including about POP 👅.

But I didn’t understand what you said about Red Flag Day....

you wouldn't be saying that if Popmart had of landed in Adelaide. 

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Ha ha! Sour grapes, eh?

It has been 11 years since they played in Adelaide ☹️

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49 minutes ago, kastee said:

Ha ha! Sour grapes, eh?

It has been 11 years since they played in Adelaide ☹️

nah, I'm just having fun with you. I'm pretty passionate about the *POP* album, I don't get why it didn't get any love when it was released. as a West Aussie I see South Australians as my brother & sisters in tours. we often get skipped. I had to travel to Adelaide for Vertigo. we missed out on ZOO TV Cry.gif.91dd3f2d7fd79d34c474775aceebba7e.gif < that was me in 1993. I know The Killers weren't going to play Adelaide (I have tickets for the Perth, Arena show) then months after they sold out tickets for their concerts. they ended up adding an Adelaide show. now that's great for Adelaide but what about hardcore Killers fans who have paid out money to go to Melbourne? I'm new to the Killers, but I can understand a few people being upset.

 

I travelled to Adelaide to see David BOWIE in 2004 because originally he wasn't coming to Perth. NO WAY they all said, promoter, ticket seller. 2 months later, a Perth show is added! for me it turned out fine as the Adelaide concert was better than the Perth show. that grey zoot suit, being on Gail Ann Dorsey's side. what a concert! I got nothing but love for Adelaide :POP_Heart_03:

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but nowhere near as bad as Pop

I realise there are some on this forum who love Pop as an album but I think it sounds a mess.

The first three tracks are pretty cool but stuff like 'Gone' and 'LNOE' are awful and then there's 'Playboy Mansion' (yuck!!) and Mofo has to be the worst U2 song ever!

However, the tour was rather impressive!

 

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Kastee posted:

I agree with a lot of what you’ve said, including about POP 👅.

But I didn’t understand what you said about Red Flag Day....

It sounds as if RFD is supposed to be a protest song, something along the lines of SBS... perhaps?

Instead RFD sounds like everyone's going on a fun day out. There's no passion or anger to it.

 

What I am finding strange is that a number of people are claiming SOE is 'great'. Really?

TJT and AB are 'great' albums. Are we now saying SOE sits as an equal to these two classics?

As I said I don't dislike SOE as it makes a pleasant listen for a dinner party or something similar but it has been over produced and the energy and passion have been so smoothed over there's little left.

 

 

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26 minutes ago, adrnik said:

I realise there are some on this forum who love Pop as an album but I think it sounds a mess.

The first three tracks are pretty cool but stuff like 'Gone' and 'LNOE' are awful and then there's 'Playboy Mansion' (yuck!!) and Mofo has to be the worst U2 song ever!

However, the tour was rather impressive!

 

It sounds as if RFD is supposed to be a protest song, something along the lines of SBS... perhaps?

Instead RFD sounds like everyone's going on a fun day out. There's no passion or anger to it.

 

What I am finding strange is that a number of people are claiming SOE is 'great'. Really?

TJT and AB are 'great' albums. Are we now saying SOE sits as an equal to these two classics?

As I said I don't dislike SOE as it makes a pleasant listen for a dinner party or something similar but it has been over produced and the energy and passion have been so smoothed over there's little left.

 

 

POP to me is extremely underrated and if I remember rightly got very good critical acclaim from the magazines. 

It takes all sorts though as MOFO and Gone are 2 of my favourite songs off the album.

i don’t see SOE as up there with the 2 Classics but it is certainly a great album and very strong throughout. I still play from start to finish which is very unusual these days as I normally skip tracks.

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11 hours ago, adrnik said:

I realise there are some on this forum who love Pop as an album but I think it sounds a mess.

The first three tracks are pretty cool but stuff like 'Gone' and 'LNOE' are awful and then there's 'Playboy Mansion' (yuck!!) and Mofo has to be the worst U2 song ever!

However, the tour was rather impressive!

...and this is the glory of music! :) What some find "awful", others find great - the guitar sound on "Gone", IMHO, is amazing - it sounds like hard-rock guitar from outer space. "The Playboy Mansion", IMHO, should have been released as a single - unlike LNOE, which was released as a single but should have been left as an album track (I'll take the video though - how they convinced William Burroughs to be in it, I'll never know... :D

"Mofo", for me, was an experiment that worked - who ever would have thought that U2 could incorporate a hard techno approach into their sound? POP got this undeserved rap as being a "techno" album overall - Mofo was the only song that really got anywhere close to that style of music. I wonder if that rap came partially from the metallic-themed artwork - techno albums at the time often had a shiny appearance... (By the way, Mofo is the third song on POP - so I'm wondering how it could be both "pretty cool" and "the worst U2 song ever"... ;)

The POPMart tour was indeed rather impressive - I saw four shows in 1997 and loved them all.

Back on topic, if SOE has to be JT or AB in order to be considered a great album, they'll never have a great album again and, by extension, they have never had an album of this pre-defined greatness after AB. One of my bones of contention is really using the mere word "great" for JT and AB - these two albums are sublime and magnificent; "great" doesn't do them justice.

SOE is, IMHO and in others as well, a great album - if an album has to be "War" or JT or AB, etc. to be considered especially good, they should have stopped recording a long time ago. In 2017/2018, if they made albums that sounded like any of those, it would be a regression. With this band being at this point in their careers, SOE is far better than what I expected them to be able to come up with. Not that I was underestimating them - far from it. I always have high expectations for them, and for this album they blew me away - IMHO, this is one of their best cohesive wholes from start to finish that they have ever recorded. I literally have great difficulty not listening to the whole thing once I start it  - I want to hear it all every time.

This doesn't happen with every album for me either - there are many albums of theirs I'm quite happy to listen to in parts, even ones I love of theirs - e.g., I love POP and HTDAAB and SOI, but I don't feel like I have to hear the whole thing in one sitting when I listen to them. Their best whole works (IMHO, of course) from start to finish where I feel the need to hear the whole thing once I start listening to them are: AB, NLOTH, and SOE. (I have times when I feel that way about Boy and War too - but not all the time.) So, there is something about SOE that is really resonating with me (and many others here as well)...

Please don't take this extended post (the length of which I was not intending) as a flame of your original post - I just had a lot of thoughts I wanted to get down in one sitting. The main point I am hoping to make is I think that many people have wrongly denied themselves a chance to really like this album because they are subconsciously (if not consciously) demanding that they sound like people they no longer are and never will be again. For example, they made War in their early 20s near the beginning of their careers - how could they sound like that again in the studio? Why would they even want to? Insert any other album with matching relative ages of the band members at the time and the same questions can be asked every bit as accurately.

In 2017/2018 with a band 40 years into their existence, this is a really, really good album. I hope those who still don't feel the greatness of this album as yet will keep listening to it; I also hope that once some of these songs are played live people will finally embrace this album. It's far too early to compare or rank this album among all of their previous work - not enough time has gone by. However, it is my opinion that this album will certainly have a chance to reach exalted status - if not in comparison to their whole catalogue, at least to their work post 90s...

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