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    God's Heart - Who speaks for God

    Doctor Nick: Here is a terrific video - a great defense for pro-life - you can you tube more from ben Shapiro - I love how the host - the other guy - is honestly trying to understand, and that each of them are friendly, even more so how Ben is just defending the truth, not attacking - or making it his agenda to make the other guy change his mind - he offers logical reasoning and gives time for the listener to think on that - and to argue the reasoning - it is bewildering how some can follow that logic and come up pro choice - which at that point someone just says they're going to do what they want, even tho' they know down deep something is wrong with going pro choice -
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    God's Heart - Who speaks for God

    I can respect what you believe and agree to disagree for sure..... I do believe in evidence based science too - scripture supports all scientific findings - like life beginning at conception and continuing through all points of a pregnancy. It's man who twists them - there is something inside of man, that no matter if God himself told a person to his face, they'd still choose not to believe Him, b/c it means they'd have to face up to a whole lot of stuff. If you don't believe the scriptures, of course they're not your base for any 'moral' decisions, how could it be ? I agree religion has done a whole lot of bad throughout this earth's history..... but Jesus isn't like that. He is saddened when a church leader, or any Christian like me does anything opposite to his will. I was just asking how the band, who believes the scriptures and talks of the psalms often (Bono) reconciles their decision to support abortion. Psalms like # 139 - read below if you wish - esp v 13-16 - where it says basically "You (God) made me (a person, not an it) knit me together in my mother's womb" Psalm 139 139 O Lord, You have searched me and known me. 2 You know my sitting down and my rising up; You understand my thought afar off. 3 You [a]comprehend my path and my lying down, And are acquainted with all my ways. 4 For there is not a word on my tongue, But behold, O Lord, You know it altogether. 5 You have [b]hedged me behind and before, And laid Your hand upon me. 6 Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; It is high, I cannot attain it. 7 Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence? 8 If I ascend into heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in [c]hell, behold, You are there. 9 If I take the wings of the morning, And dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea, 10 Even there Your hand shall lead me, And Your right hand shall hold me. 11 If I say, “Surely the darkness shall [d]fall on me,” Even the night shall be light about me; 12 Indeed, the darkness [e]shall not hide from You, But the night shines as the day; The darkness and the light are both alike to You. 13 For You formed my inward parts; You [f]covered me in my mother’s womb. 14 I will praise You, for [g]I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Marvelous are Your works, And that my soul knows very well. 15 My [h]frame was not hidden from You, When I was made in secret, And skillfully wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. 16 Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed. And in Your book they all were written, The days fashioned for me, When as yet there were none of them. 17 How precious also are Your thoughts to me, O God! How great is the sum of them! 18 If I should count them, they would be more in number than the sand; When I awake, I am still with You. 19 Oh, that You would slay the wicked, O God! Depart from me, therefore, you [i]bloodthirsty men. 20 For they speak against You wickedly; [j]Your enemies take Your name in vain. 21 Do I not hate them, O Lord, who hate You? And do I not loathe those who rise up against You? 22 I hate them with [k]perfect hatred; I count them my enemies. 23 Search me, O God, and know my heart; Try me, and know my anxieties; 24 And see if there is any wicked way in me, And lead me in the way everlasting.
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    God's Heart - Who speaks for God

    Majority for anything doesn't mean something is right. It's just our world getting further away from God, our creator. Tell me why you don't hear about the plight of those who have had abortions. The news doesn't cover that - there aren't any reports of how things are just great for them. The reason I started this thread was to basically ask one question: I was just wondering how U2, Bono, who reads the scriptures and believes can come to the conclusion that this is ok - along with several other issues, the band acts contrary to scripture, going with a post-modern society rather than the authority of scripture. That's it! Once conceptions happens, the life has started, Contrary to what one doctor said in the Irish Times, that at the molecular level things haven't really begun...that's just crap - to say that it needs to be repealed, because otherwise is to say that the baby's rights are being considered as higher than the mother's rights" is not what pro-lifers are saying. Pro Lifers are saying that the baby has no rights at all.
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    God's Heart - Who speaks for God

    Excellent Video, thank you for sharing - if we can step into each other's world's a little, and share from the heart, we can really change the world - I watched on you tube highlights from the first two shows - wow, 27 songs - wish i could go to see this tour, but not coming to our city, Toronto. thought i'd get good seats but i'd have to travel to montreal, or jersey, or chicago, so didn't purchse tickets - thinking they might add us later, now it's a little too far,
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    God's Heart - Who speaks for God

    Hey - I'm sorry it upset you so much you couldn't sleep. I am glad that we're able to converse about it - whether we agree or not. Just like all inclusiveness, we have to allow both sides to believe what they choose to believe. I don't know what OP stands for. I agree with you guys about ISIS, evil etc. say if they set off a bomb killing people and then say God wills it - is crazy, God never wills that. The quote from Genesis, you replied that was in the Old Testament, and not the new, is actually in the New as well. Remember Jesus repeated that statement in the gospels. I;m not attacking people, rather I'm stating that if scripture is inerrant, and one agrees and believes that, how do they come up on the direct opposite side of these issues. The point was brought up about other religions and if they're doing lots of good works, wouldn't they go to heaven. Again, it's the authority of the scriptures that say clearly, it is by grace we're saved, not of works. Our righteous deeds are like filthy rags the bible says, it's only b/c of Jesus that we're washed clean. The struggles you mention are absolutely heart breaking. I would never belittle that, or point a finger at you or anyone, and if tempted to, I'd feel God saying to me thru his Spirit, "Hey, what about some of your choices...you're not so pure...you don't have a perfect record on the internet, you haven't always loved your wife the way I can help you to" or " Hey, what about your parents, there was a time you wouldn't forgive them, (thankful that he was so patient with me to help me thru that process....yes it took years to let that go and i gotta keep doing it). But he was always gentle, never condemning. So when I stand up for the rights of unborn children, it's with a humility, but also a firmness because I believe they are just as human as you & I. Gotta go, I hope you have a better rest tonight.
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    God's Heart - Who speaks for God

    Hey, never, never called you unequal - everyone has a right to choose to believe/live their life - Just to answer a question you had, about where in the bible does it say.....there are tonnes - In Genesis it does say that God created man in his own image - male and female he created them...and for this reason a man shall leave his mother and father and be united to his wife. So I can believe this is true just like any other person can ignore, or believe something else.
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    God's Heart - Who speaks for God

    Absolutely, they need our prayers and help. I love your eagerness for God's word. That's where the authority lies. Nobody deserves to be treated in any abusive way. If someone abuses someone else, is that a sin? Would you call it that? or would you say that you have no right to judge someone's actions. You mentioned above that nobody has the right to point at anyone and say what they are doing in wrong? .I disagree. I believe you can say something is wrong without pointing the finger and calling them a sinner. That's up to God. (First take out the log in my own eye before pointing out the speck in another's) So, I'm not condemning anyone. I'm not calling anyone sinner. Jesus never did either, he redeemed them, and then said Go and sin no more. So he did call it sin. I would definitely say that those you mention above sinned against you.There is a difference in identifying something that is a sin, and pointing and saying sinner..That's what I see when I see a living baby killed in an abortion. To say the baby isn't alive yet is crazy. Why does a mother who cares about their child before birth stay away from drink and smoking - because they care for the child within, and don't want to harm him or her. Sounds like a person to me! I know it's hard to understand, and there can be terrible circumstances, but for me it comes down to what scripture says. No, I'm not speaking for God, he didn't dictate to me, nor did I ever say that. But it is clear in scripture that God loves the unborn child. He/she is a living person. Read Psalm 139, for example. 13 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb.14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well.15 My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth.16 Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.17 How precious to me are your thoughts,[a] God! How vast is the sum of them!18 Were I to count them, they would outnumber the grains of sand— when I awake, I am still with you. If anything, I'm just agreeing with what God already said, plain and simple, not twisting anything to fit my belief. It's clear he created us As for the Solomon 'comparison', I said it's just something that popped into my mind. As a "God-lover" he sure did make some crazy decisions as he got older. I pray you find peace in your heart.
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    God's Heart - Who speaks for God

    Thanks - I love the line you inserted - As for me, I never really edited anything, didn't have a lot of time, and I don't want it to come off as an attack - I know the enemy is not flesh & blood and that I can't change a person's viewpoint - that's God's department. It's so easy to get into a back and forth argument online, which ends up pretty much pointless - but I believe if you don't bring God into the picture, well you're labouring in vain. The battle is spiritual not vs people. On the new tour, Bono brings back MacPhisto - during 'Acrobat' - MacPhisto (devil) basically says to the crowd that since they don't believe anymore in his existence, it's how he gets most of his work done - (straight from C.S. Lewis' book, "Screwtape Letters", sounds a lot like today's post-modern society, if we say God, devil don't exist - then we can make up their own morality - that is, if no God, then I have no shame for anything I do - 'They say they want the kingdom, but they don't want God in it" (The Wanderer).
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    God's Heart - Who speaks for God

    I want to try to put it out there, what God might be thinking, yes the God of scripture, and how He is feeling about the latest decisions/stands of U2. Someone out there, can you help me to understand how this group can lean the way they have lately? No doubt, they have done so much for Social Justice throughout their career, and since they do profess a Christian faith, how does that continue to play out as time continues. As a young boy, growing up in the faith myself, it was amazing to see - that this band who took on governments, racists, etc. also stood for what God stood for in scripture and it was heartfelt not just someone saying something. Even if the world wasn't understanding what they were singing about, I got it, and people in the church slowly were coming around to the idea that this rock band was certainly different. For me, though, lately, it seems decisions are more like what the world stands for than scripture - sort of like how Solomon in the Bible lived out the last part of his days - after all the blessings, he started living contrary to how God would have wanted him to live (eg - marrying into foreign religions etc) So for me, this started in 2015, when they encouraged the vote for equality in same-sex marriage - Bono wearing a rainbow flag on stage that night (bad decisions) (yes people can believe and do what they want or believe they want, but it is something that scripture clearly does not support . However, I get that some struggle with the temptation, so it's not as easy or as black and white sometimes, yet there is still a right and wrong when you get down to it. Again, how does God feel? The point is that we are to be patient and understanding, but firm to the scripture being the authority when required. Then recently, they let this guy from Vogue do a video for Love is Bigger...(bad decision) and it portrays many youth that are in the LGBT community, which now looks like something that would make a great anthem for that group. I don't honestly think God feels fantastic about a video with two boys together, yet he understands why they may have gone down that road, and only he can show the way out. The latest now is that U2 is for the Yes vote to repeal the 8th. What the heck? How can you vote that you want abortion to be legal? I mean, honestly, I understand in extreme situations, like if the mother's life is in jeopardy, but take a look at scripture, Bono, Edge, where do ever get the picture that God thinks it ok to stop the birth process of another human being? And if you vote YES, then at what point would you change to a NO vote? What I mean, is would you say to NO to abortion if the baby was almost full term, like 8 1/2 months? of course you would, so what about 7 1/2 months...so follow the logic...how can you suddenly change it to a yes vote around the 2-3 month mark or earlier?? can you??? - I laugh when I read about Liam Neeson and his stand as well but I'm wondering how God feels. - “Having spent a significant part of my life based outside of my home country, I have witnessed Ireland becoming a nation that leads the world on social issues yet we still treat women as second-class citizens by taking away the basic right to make choices about their own bodies and if and when to have children..." Really? we're talking about taking rights away when it concerns taking the life of another human - not if and when to have children - that was always your right - nobody took that away.....do we have to explain here how making a baby works? if you choose to pro-create, that means you choose to possibly get pregnant, which is the majority of what we're talking about. What ever happened to living with the consequences of one's actions - I'm not pointing the finger here, b/c we all have to live with our decisions. I understand that having a child maybe not exactly when you wanted to can be a tough decision, but it would definitely bring a smile to God's face, vs a tear. Remember we're talking about how God feels, not us. (if someone did take that right away by force, that does not make God happy at all, in fact he is furious with that, the same way he is furious whenever any human wrongs another - only He understands how you feel and can help. He can even help you to love and care for that child...now that's only possible thru him - can you imagine that story? Part of an article from the Irish Times went like this when the band put it out there that they stand for the YES vote, to repeal the 8th. One furious fan wrote: "This breaks my heart. I have loved and followed you for 20 years. I still love you but I can’t follow you down this road. My tickets to upcoming shows will go unused". Another said: "Life is beautiful, how can you deny it to these children when each of us would cling to our own so fiercely?" A third added: "'Freedom has a scent like the top of a newborn baby’s head' — interesting to know you no longer want babies to have that freedom. You offer 'choice' to those who will ensure babies will never reach “newborn” status. A lot of your songs now very questionable." I have to agree with all these fans - and I know there are others who feel the opposite too - As Edge did say, there are a lot on both sides...and they do talk about how both sides of the white house have to work together, maybe we all do too.
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    No Toronto Shows

    last year's is no good, only for the josh tree tour - now over if new places are announced, you'll get a different presale code if you want to use it for that new location - but if no show in TO, and that's the only place you can get to , then you're out the membership fee like me - i thought they would be coming to TO, so I renewed, otherwise i wouldn't have
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    No Toronto Shows

    I have my pre-sale code still - I'm not crazy about driving to Montreal. And besides, there's only nosebleed seats left. If they don't come to TO, then I guess I'm out the money. Hope they come September etc. Was happy they announced the Europe Leg. Maybe there's hope for another N..A. segment -
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    No Toronto Shows

    It has nothing to do with hockey, and even so, they could still come on a 2nd leg later in the summer or fall etc. are you sure they are not coming to toronto - i got my subscription renewed and verified with ticketmaster through u2.com membership, thinking when the pre sale started, a toronto show would be listed - am i supposed to wait until toronto is listed? i didn't buy montreal tickets or new jersey/chicago when they went on sale b/c i would rather not travel that far?