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rotselaar (belgium) 26th of october: while her parents are at a parents-teacher-meeting, and her older sisters went out for a run around the block, 11 year old sofie is attacked in her own house. she's hit on the head several times with a hamer and lies unconsious in a puddle of blood. her sisters and the boy next door are first to arrive at the horrible scene.

belgium is in shock. what happened? why would anyone do this? why hurt a little girl like that?
a week later her 16 year old sister, yasmine, is arrested, questionned and admits to the facts.
belgium is shocked, even more. new questions: what happened between the sisters? why would a nice girl (like neighbours and school claim she was) lose her temper like that?
meanwhile sofie is awake again. she can see, hear and talk again, but docters fear she'll never walk again.

neighbours were interviewed. altho most of them feel compassion with the parents (who had one daughter fighting for her life in hospital and one daughter arrested for attempted murder) still one lady says, its probably the parents fault.
but its a nice family, good neighbourhood, kids go to a good school and follow a decent education.
could this happen in every family? 

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God that's awful. A hard one. I don't necessarily think it's the parents fault when such extreme things happen, sometimes there is a great deal of anger and jealously that festers among siblings and there can be a lot of unconscious secrecy about the way they relate to one and other which parents can't always control or even know about at times, as adults you can rationalise ill feelings towards siblings and maintain boundaries of behaviour but when you're young you don't at times have the maturity to control the boundaries of good and bad behaviour.

 

I feel for the parents here, they must be beside themselves trying to understand it and probably blame themselves.

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It's one thing to fight with your sister but another thing entirely to bash her over the head with a hammer.  Thinking it and doing it are two different things and this is where the strength of someone's will comes into play.

What I would like to know is where she got the idea from in the first place, many parents do not control what their children are watching on the t.v. or the internet.

In England we were all appalled in 1992/3 by the murder of a little boy named Jaimie Bulger who was a little toddler snatched from a shopping centre in Liverpool and then the two boys who snatched him (they were about 7 - 9 years old) murdered him and left him on a train line. Their defence was based around them being corrupted by watching Chucky films. Why their parents let them watch a film for over 18 years old that scared the pants out of most adults is beyond me.

One of them has been out of prison for a while but has gone back in as he has been done for downloading child pornography - seems that prison did not rehabilitate him at all.

Again we are in the moral intelligence category and how children cannot diffrentiate between what is real and what is fantasy and if something happens on the t.v. it must be o.k. for it to happen in society.

In many cartoons a character dies and then lives again but that is a cartoon and is obviously not real (or is it?) to the mind of a child everything is real.

Maybe the parents unknowingly favoured the other daughter or she was more successful or prettier.

Either way I think her sister will be suffering the consequence of her actions as she lies in an isolated room and has to come to terms with what she has done to her little sister.

I hope she remembers when they were very little and all the good times they shared together and how much she wanted a little sister once and how sorry she is.  She should spend the rest of her life looking after her sister (with supervision of course).

If she is truly fortunate her little sister will one day forgive her as will her parents but for the moment she has to live with herself. I hope they have her on suicide watch because when the guilt takes hold of her she will want the easy way out.tired.gif

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......this could only happen in Belgium !!

wanted to ask this before, polly; whats the story with you and belgium??? we're not all that violent, you know, ask zhiv (and she'd better agree with me or else 5.gif) no, seriously... i cant believe the news these days. so much anger and violence.

and i remember the story bout jamie vividly shirley... i was pregnant with my first baby (and i somehow knew it was a boy) and i felt so sick to my stomach when i heard it... my blood turned to ice.... shivers ran down my neck. its horrible story. and first that came to mind everytime one of my kids got outa my sight for a moment.

and i don think you can blame the parents. unless this has to do with watching violent stuff.

i was having conversation with my youngest boy when we walked the dogs some weeks ago. he told me how our neighbourkid has these violent games (he's 6!!) where they just slaughter people or run them over by cars. he told me he couldnt watch it without feeling nauseous (he's 11) and i felt kinda reliefed he feels this way. but also shocked with what this 6 year old is watching day after day...
i don want those games in my house, i don want movies like that on our tv's. and when we hear a horrible story on the news or something i always express to my kids how aweful the victims involved, their friends and family must feel. i want them to realise how everyone has feelings of pain and dispaire if bad things happen to them.

but i also think people blame things on parents too quickly. i can see rage in my kids sometimes, and i always call them back, tell them i dont allow anyone to get hurt in my house. but what if something really bad happens when i'm not around? i have an 11year old, they can be real pain in the ass to their older syblings, what if it gets out of hand? i cant imagine it happening to my kids, but on the other hand, i would never say never....

and i can only imagine how parents feel in this story, how that little girl feels, being attacked by her own sis.... but how that 16 year old must feel. maybe she despises herself. and i hope they keep an eye on her too, shirley. maybe she cant live with what she did...
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I guess it can happen everywhere.

....even in Sweden. A guy has been shooting down imigrants in the city i used to live in and in the city I live in now a 23 year old guy has raped 13 women.......so it can happen everywhere.

......and I have nothing against the Belgian.....sorrry !!

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Every day's a bloody day it seems. Having watched a childrens programme with by daughter on CBBC called Horrible Histories it appears the human race has done some pretty barbaric and appaling things in the past and we are capable of such rage and atrocities that it seems sometimes some people are trying to excel at acts of violence.

Have we really managed to curb our primitive instincts or are we still animal beneath the surface and exposed only by the depth of the scratch.

There is a quote from Morrissey of The Smiths that I keep as a reminder - because I have an atrocious temper as does my mother and her mother before her.

 

"It's easy to be angry, It takes strength to be kind."blue_butterfly.gif

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I guess it can happen everywhere.

....even in Sweden. A guy has been shooting down imigrants in the city i used to live in and in the city I live in now a 23 year old guy has raped 13 women.......so it can happen everywhere.

......and I have nothing against the Belgian.....sorrry !!

no problem, polly! i know you like me!! was just wondering if there was a story behind your remark. but if you were just messing with me, thats okay too. cause so does zhiv, and she always loves me (or she says she does...)

but you're right. bad things happen, and like shirley said we came a long way after all, cause like 2000, 1000 years ago people would just smash eachothers head in over here to get their ham...
but i do feel like we hear more bout the plain cruel attacks. people who kill for either pleasure or without any regrets...
their just talking bout the daycare-murderer, kim degelder, on the news when i'm writing this. this isnt murder to get eachothers belongings... this is sick...
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