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I'm noticing that a lot of people were looking to bring their children to this round of tours but that the 2 ticket presale limit made this very difficult.

 

U2.com could develop a "next gen" option for the presale where subscribing fans may bring 2 (same primary address) children or dependants in addition to their 2 ticket allotment.  Minors do not have credit cards and cannot purchase from the presale because of this.  Being a fan should not be limited by age.

 

Having said that being a fan should not be limited by a disability either and perhaps there could be a similar accommodation for an extra ticket for a disabled fan who requires assistance.  A fan requiring a caregiver should not be limited to two tickets but rather should be able to attend with their spouse or chosen companion plus the caregiver.

 

I also feel there should be an allowance for each adult in a household to maintain a U2.com membership.  Many fans share music interests with their spouses and should not have to meld into one fan subscription for the sake of battling the bots.

 

I am wondering how much control U2.com has over these decisions?

Does anybody have other suggestions or tweaks to ensure true fans have the best chance of attending U2 shows?

 

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I'm noticing that a lot of people were looking to bring their children to this round of tours but that the 2 ticket presale limit made this very difficult.

 

U2.com could develop a "next gen" option for the presale where subscribing fans may bring 2 (same primary address) children or dependants in addition to their 2 ticket allotment.  Minors do not have credit cards and cannot purchase from the presale because of this.  Being a fan should not be limited by age.

 

Having said that being a fan should not be limited by a disability either and perhaps there could be a similar accommodation for an extra ticket for a disabled fan who requires assistance.  A fan requiring a caregiver should not be limited to two tickets but rather should be able to attend with their spouse or chosen companion plus the caregiver.

 

I also feel there should be an allowance for each adult in a household to maintain a U2.com membership.  Many fans share music interests with their spouses and should not have to meld into one fan subscription for the sake of battling the bots.

 

I am wondering how much control U2.com has over these decisions?

 

Does anybody have other suggestions or tweaks to ensure true fans have the best chance of attending U2 shows?

 

Cheers

Bigwave has said (in another thread) that they've told TM to stop messing w/more than one adult in a household (e.g., couples), so that seems to be already sorted (he said to PM him if there are any problems).  Regarding the 4 ticket thing, lots of us hear you (I'd love to take my parents, for example), but they seem pretty solid on the 2 tix limit.  On the other hand, the stadium leg next year will very likely go back to the 4 ticket limit.  So if you can't do it now, you'll be able to do it then (as will the rest of us).

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I know that bigwave is sorting it out now.  But perhaps it would be easier for all involved (mods included) and fairer if there was a policy beforehand.

Absolutely!  Aargh...this happens every tour, more or less, I'm afraid.  One thing re the household--make sure (e.g., if your sig. other joins or whatever) that the other person in the household uses a DIFFERENT CC than you did (both to get a u2.com membership and to set up a TM account), and remember that if the additional household person buys any paperless (i.e., GA or RZ) tix, they MUST go to the show themselves.

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I know that bigwave is sorting it out now.  But perhaps it would be easier for all involved (mods included) and fairer if there was a policy beforehand.

Absolutely!  Aargh...this happens every tour, more or less, I'm afraid.  One thing re the household--make sure (e.g., if your sig. other joins or whatever) that the other person in the household uses a DIFFERENT CC than you did (both to get a u2.com membership and to set up a TM account), and remember that if the additional household person buys any paperless (i.e., GA or RZ) tix, they MUST go to the show themselves.

 

There just seemed to be so much confusion beforehand.  I adhered to the 2 tix for my presale and then just 2 tix for the general sale.  Seems I could have purchased more during the general sale because the presale wasn't part of my total, but that still isn't clear.  I was just so terrified of going over the limit and losing my tickets so I erred on the side of caution.

 

If U2.com is in charge of the presale then these factors - 1) minors or dependants (without own cc) being able to attend, 2) caregivers and 3) subscribers in the same household can be planned for in advance.  

 

Our mods did a great job of managing all the questions and worries before and during the flurry but let's all learn and plan better for next time.  We don't want to burn our mods out!

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Kind of discriminatory against those of us without kids. So I would perhaps get locked out of tix because you need two more for your kids? Is that fair to others? I think it is fine the way it is. If they played stadiums 4 would be allowed again I suspect. But these are arena shows. There is always general sale, after market if you absolutely think you HAVE to have your kids attend. But taking the opportunity from other fan club members who are childless is selfish I my eyes.

 

How would you even prove having kids?! Everyone would do that. Hell, I would. It is so easy to cheat and exploit. Look at how this system is already having enough cheaters ruin it for us.

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Having said that being a fan should not be limited by a disability either and perhaps there could be a similar accommodation for an extra ticket for a disabled fan who requires assistance.  A fan requiring a caregiver should not be limited to two tickets but rather should be able to attend with their spouse or chosen companion plus the caregiver.     (This is a quote from Achtung Baby, not dragonfaerie)

The ADA made a policy change recently which now allows for disabled people to bring up to three others with them to shows. I am not saying this for the U2 presale.  This sounds like a good thing at first, however; it's becoming a nightmare for the venues as people are abusing this and many people who are disabled cannot get into the ADA seating because for every disabled person you have four people.  It's become a huge issue here in Milwaukee for Summerfest; which is a great music festival yet never gets covered in Rolling Stone or other publications.  There is a main act for Summerfest which has normal ticket prices and then there are several side stages which anyone can see after paying admission into the grounds of Summerfest.  It's $15-18.  It's quite a deal.  Imagine Dragons was on one of the side stages when they hit it big.  Maroon 5 was on one of the side stages when Moves Like Jagger was a recent hit.  Summerfest is a great music festival.  The amount of acts on any given day is astounding.  However-many, many disabled people are not able to get onto the disabled platforms because people are abusing the system and taking as many people as they can.  It makes no sense.  It should be that if you are a guest of a disabled person you get a seat, but if a disabled person comes and needs a seat; you get up and let the disabled person take your seat.  Unfortunately it is not happening. So the venue, in this case the festival, has a choice to either break the rule and pay the ADA fines so disabled people can have access or you have 75% of the disabled platform filled with people who are not disabled and a bunch of truly disabled people not being able to see the show.  It's a mess.

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Are children of fans true fans?  What makes a true fan?  Many are upset, including myself, that we only got two tickets for the presale.  I think bringing children into the mix would make it impossible for all of the adults who want to get tickets to be able to do so.  How many children would actually want to see U2, leave alone care about where their seats were located?  Do kids belong at concerts?  Should a person's children attending a concert even enter the mix?

I'm just asking these questions.  I'm not criticizing.

But:  We have a lot of adults wanting seats or GAs and not getting them.  If all the adults who want seats are able to get seats then maybe children, but not until all of the adults who want seats are seated.  My own personal opinion is that a rock concert is not a proper place for children unless they are 16 or so in which case they should pay for memberships and get codes like the rest of us.  Disney on Ice is better for children.  There are plenty of shows for children.  Soon we'd have strollers and that's an accident waiting to happen.  Children and rock concerts do not mix well.  I'd be irritated if I paid for a show and had to deal with someone's child misbehaving.

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saying above:  Having said that being a fan should not be limited by a disability either and perhaps there could be a similar accommodation for an extra ticket for a disabled fan who requires assistance.  A fan requiring a caregiver should not be limited to two tickets but rather should be able to attend with their spouse or chosen companion plus the caregiver.

 

 

I am disabled and I was able to bring my caregiver to the show:  it's the person who bought the other ticket.  I see no way around this as there are so many who want seats or GAs and are not getting them.  I think the real issue with disabled people is with general admission.  There are NO accommodations for disabled people on the GA floor of these venues.  This forced me to have to pay for a very expensive seat.  I did get GAs in the presale and am going with my brother but if I am in bad shape on that day, I have no idea what I am going to do as far as lining up so I can be up front, etc. If I am in a seat and the people in front of me stand then I look at their backs and hear muffled sound.  I do not feel sorry for myself, quite the opposite.  I have been working with different venues by giving them my input about how they accommodate or do not take care of disabled people.

It doesn't seem fair that I would be admitted to the GA line before all those who lined up and waited for all that time to get a good place to see the show, but it's also not fair that someone with legit disabilities cannot do the GA tickets and have to pay for expensive seats.  Most disabled people are on limited budgets.

This tour is different.  It's indoors and has so many less seats available.  Its a complicated issue.  What makes it worse is that so many people abuse the disabled accommodations and ruin it for those who are truly disabled.  By law the venue cannot ask for proof that a person is disabled and a lot of people are now calling box offices and saying they have mobility issues or even faking it and showing up in unnecessary wheel chairs so they get good seats.  It's a very complicated situation.  It got much better for a while but then those who fake being sick caught wind of it and now it's a big mess again.

I always bring numerous letters from multiple doctors.  When I ask if they need to see them they tell me they cannot even ask.  The only thing they are allowed to ask is if the person is in a wheelchair or mobility impaired as this affects how they seat disabled people.  I have a letter, from a leading pain specialist, saying my pain level is the equivalent of having one's appendix taken out without any anesthesia, It does not matter. They cannot look and decide how to place disabled people according to their needs.  It's wheel chair or not?  Very complicated issue and no easy answers.  I cannot see the show if I have to sit down.  Does this mean I should get the front row of sections?  That does not seem fair either.

If I am able to do so I want to do GA for U2 more than I can express.  If I am in really bad shape that day I may have to skip the show I have GA tickets for which is not fair either.  No easy answers.  Again-I am not looking for sympathy but this is an issue for every show I attend and so, so many others have it even worse.

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