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15 hours ago, vertigojds said:

I think that's actually a pretty reasonable idea.  You'll automatically have a better/closer spot than anyone in any seat - and the most expensive seats had a face value very close to what the Red Zone tickets cost.  So if you look at it that way, rather than as a super-duper GA pass, it's a better deal than expensive seats.

I'm about your height, and I've never had a problem with sightlines at these big outdoor shows.  Even if the person immediately in front of you is extremely tall, the beginning of the stage is still at a higher height than where their head ends.  You'd be looking up over their head one way or the other.

I think I'm going to try to get on the rail or close to the rail in the spot behind Edge's keyboard for the start of the show, and then adjust accordingly.  It'll be cool to be really close to them for those first three songs, but then they'll go to the main stage, and I think it may be more comfortable to move wherever people aren't.  It'll also depend on how full the Red Zone gets.  There doesn't seem to be a clear indication of how many tickets are sold for it each night, and at photos from some venues, it seems empty, and from other venues, it seems packed.  If it's packed, I probably won't try to move, but if it's on the emptier side, I might move around leisurely throughout the night.

I feel like I'm going to be all cool and collected and have this plan all set for lounging in the back and then as show day gets closer that's all going to get thrown out the window LOL!

RUSH THE STAGE!!! LOL!

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On 18/06/2017 at 9:51 AM, Synj said:

 

On 18/06/2017 at 7:54 AM, vertigojds said:

This video from the local news station in Louisville has aerials of the empty stadium, after the stage and barricades have been set up -- might be useful for anyone trying to decide where to stand:

 

Awesome video. Thanks for posting that. I have RZ for San Diego and I am losing sleep at night thinking about my RZ approach.

Does anyone else think that back corner might actually be a good spot? I mean it's the furthest spot back in the RZ but hear me out:

1) Two rails in the corner to lean on and rest.

2) Ample room, people rushing the rail, no one in the back, lots of breathing room.

3) Sight lines still great. Perpindicular to the B-stage, far back enough to take in the enormity of the main stage.

4) You're still significantly closer to both stages compared with even front row seats anywhere else.

5) I could probably get this spot even as late as opening act.

6) Just a relaxing experience in the RZ, spend the day with friends and family instead of lining up hours beforehand for a rail.

7) RZ rail nowhere near as good as GA rail. If I had a shot at center B-stage of center main stage, I can see the appeal of standing in line. But it seems like the best rail spot here is literally behind the Edge's keyboard.

8) Edit: Seems like being a little further back means I won't have to deal quite as much with people standing in front of me. The stage is 9 feet high so being further back might help me, as I'm only 5'7".

9) Second edit: No one behind you other than the GA but there's a rail between you and them so no pushing or shoving.

I'm liking this idea more and more, no one take it from me!

Thoughts?

Thanks for the video vertigojds, that's super useful!

Synj, just be aware, the crowd in RZ moves as the band moves. So when the band performs on the b-stage, the area at the back of RZ at the b-stage end gets crowded. When the band move to the main stage, the back of the RZ crowd moves with them, thinning the crowd near the b-stage.

Here's a pic, taken from GA, but on the rail right in the corner of RZ.

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The view once everyone heads towards the main stage.

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I'm 5'6, so deal with the same problems as you. I'm always aiming for a rail spot, where I'm overlooking part of the stage, not the back of someone's head. The rail right where that boom camera is would have been perfect, had there been no boom there. Next option was near the corner of the piano branch, quite close to the range of that boom. Making sure that when I'm looking at the main stage I'm overlooking part of the piano branch stage & not the crowd on the rail at the back of the piano branch. But that boom camera is a bit longer than I expected, so may be a bit of an obstruction for this spot. I think maybe the boom telescopes, & is a bit shorter during the show, when not in use? Then it mightn't obstruct this spot, need to investigate this option more. Third spot, & probably the option I'd choose, as it's safer, is the rail where the b-stage joins the catwalk. There will be unobstructed views at all times, but it's a little further from the action on the b-stage, plus the band's usually facing away when performing on the b-stage.

Tough choice, no perfect spot.
 

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Thanks for the reply @ddarroch, really helpful!

I just keep thinking, I want to move wherever the crowd isn't. LOL, I have 3 months to decide and I'm sure my neurosis is only going to get worse.

My wife doesn't understand me, my family doesn't understand me, my friends don't understand me. But you guys...you guys get me! LOL

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I'm 5'2'' and would love to be 5'6" or 5'7"! I have an issue at every single show I go to since I'm so short, so my goal is to get the rail right by Edge's keyboard and then move around accordingly afterwards. Even though there were RZ guides escorting people onto the fields, did people still make a run for it? I ran my ass of when they let RZ in for ie @ msg, and I plan to do so again this time around!

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From what I saw from GA, the best spot to be is around any of the branches.  

We were crowded around Larry's branch, and it seemed that Edge and Adam stayed mainly over on the RED Zone side near the top of the tree (slightly outside the Zone), and Bono seemed to like to come to the GA side a lot more than the RED side.

During the JT portion, they spend most of their time on the main stage - so everyone is pretty much equal at that point.  When Bono and Edge come back down, though, it seemed the RED Zone got more of their attention.

The only "bad" spot to be in the RED Zone appeared to be the "trunk", as you'd only be near the guys as they went back and forth between the stages - but, still, that's not a bad spot.  As someone else said, once you're that close, there's no real "bad" spot - it just comes down to who you want to be near.

 

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6 hours ago, melissar75 said:

did people still make a run for it?

I just had regular GA and not Red Zone for Philly, but security was telling everyone not to run. If you tried to run, they said, you would be asked to leave the field and made to wait to enter until everyone else had gotten on - an automatic trip to the back of the line if you tried. As a result, everyone I saw entering the field was doing so in an orderly fashion. 

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After doing regular GA at the Philly show and seeing the difference between waiting all day and showing up at the doors time (not much), how little time the band spent on the b-stage, and how little a difference it made being two people back vs three or four people back, I think I'm just gonna chill out on my Red Zone night. For my Philly regular GA, I got to the venue at 1pm, and was two to three people back (the crowd shifted a little at points) from dead center on the main stage. I didn't expect to be so close. The person standing behind me got there like three hours after I did, and the person behind them got there even later. 

For both the main and b-stages, there's a huge barricade between the stage and crowd. Even if the band members wanted to, it's not close enough for them to reach out and touch you. Being in front of the rail is a little less exciting when the thing on the other side isn't the stage but six feet of space with burly security guards staring at you the whole time. The extra intimacy I was hoping to get for being that close wasn't really there, at least on the main stage. And the b-stage is such a short part of the show that I don't think I'd plan my night solely around that. In Philly, after the first four songs, the band never returned to the b-stage. 

For Red Hill Mining Town, Bono moved slightly closer to the Red Zone on the main stage, closer to Edge's normal position. But it doesn't seem like this is enough to decide where to stand just for that. 

In Philly, it seemed like the Red Zone rail against the b-stage was filled by people who waited all day. The people standing immediately behind them walked in shortly before the show started. I'm inclined to enjoy that closeness without effort as the thing I got for spending $350 face value on the ticket. If waiting all day and being on the rail guaranteed a one-on-one interaction with the band I'd worry about it but since it doesn't, I won't. 

Im still blown away at how little difference there was in spot from people who showed up like me at 1pm and people who showed up at 5pm when the doors opened. 

It was a great show and the band were great and no complaints. But I'm also now aware that I could have come four or five hours later and only been inches further back than I had been. 

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1 hour ago, vertigojds said:

After doing regular GA at the Philly show and seeing the difference between waiting all day and showing up at the doors time (not much), how little time the band spent on the b-stage, and how little a difference it made being two people back vs three or four people back, I think I'm just gonna chill out on my Red Zone night. For my Philly regular GA, I got to the venue at 1pm, and was two to three people back (the crowd shifted a little at points) from dead center on the main stage. I didn't expect to be so close. The person standing behind me got there like three hours after I did, and the person behind them got there even later. 

For both the main and b-stages, there's a huge barricade between the stage and crowd. Even if the band members wanted to, it's not close enough for them to reach out and touch you. Being in front of the rail is a little less exciting when the thing on the other side isn't the stage but six feet of space with burly security guards staring at you the whole time. The extra intimacy I was hoping to get for being that close wasn't really there, at least on the main stage. And the b-stage is such a short part of the show that I don't think I'd plan my night solely around that. In Philly, after the first four songs, the band never returned to the b-stage. 

For Red Hill Mining Town, Bono moved slightly closer to the Red Zone on the main stage, closer to Edge's normal position. But it doesn't seem like this is enough to decide where to stand just for that. 

In Philly, it seemed like the Red Zone rail against the b-stage was filled by people who waited all day. The people standing immediately behind them walked in shortly before the show started. I'm inclined to enjoy that closeness without effort as the thing I got for spending $350 face value on the ticket. If waiting all day and being on the rail guaranteed a one-on-one interaction with the band I'd worry about it but since it doesn't, I won't. 

Im still blown away at how little difference there was in spot from people who showed up like me at 1pm and people who showed up at 5pm when the doors opened. 

It was a great show and the band were great and no complaints. But I'm also now aware that I could have come four or five hours later and only been inches further back than I had been. 

Wow, that's awesome (sorry you could have saved yourself a couple hours).

It seems like you're either all in for front row, or you show up a little early and get 2-10th row. Honestly the trade-off doesn't seem worth it.

Thanks so much for the info!

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Passing the time wasn't too bad, actually.  I got lucky.  My stepsister happened to be going to Philly, so I caught a ride with her and got to catch up.  When I got to Lincoln Financial Field, I ended up meeting up with my old college roommate who had settled in town.  He was free in the afternoon and just hung out in line with me until they started having people go inside, so other than the heat, it was a fun afternoon.  Maybe ended up waiting in the corridors of the stadium for about an hour, but I could hear U2 soundchecking Mysterious Ways five times (maybe a couple more than I needed, but cool to hear the process) and a couple others.  So it was actually a fun afternoon.  I think the hardest part was the waiting once we were on the field until the band came out.  That was the real hunker down time.  People were pretty cool about letting people get up to grab food and drinks and come back, but I was there on my own so I didn't want to chance not having someone to come back to.  Once The Lumineers came out time started to fly.  Even the hour plus wait for U2 wasn't bad because I always think its cool to see their road crew setting up the gear.  It's one of those things where you tell your friends "I just waited eight hours for a U2 concert" and it sounds insane, but you break the day down and it ends up being more interesting than it sounds.

Which show are you RZ for?  I'm in there for the second New Jersey show, happy to report back on that specific experience.

The RZ line was adjacent to the GA line for most of the afternoon.  At most, there were forty people there by four when they started letting us in, but it could have been closer to two dozen.  I think if you show up sometime between whatever check-in time they email you and the time they say the doors open, you'll end up one or two people at most at the rail most directly adjacent to the b-stage, and probably have your pick of the rail anywhere else.  That's the view I was getting as regular GA #666 walking to my spot by the main stage - once I was there, the ramp blocked my view and I couldn't see how fast or slow it was filling up (which I was kinda hoping to see to get a better idea).  I have GA again for Gillette but going with some friends, so waiting in line isn't a priority.  Based on this, we'll probably walk in closer to the doors opening rather than waiting all day.  For the first New Jersey show, I have seats so I'm gonna try to be getting the birds-eye view of the area.  It's fun to get into tour mode and just start pregaming this stuff.  It's a little bit easy, at least for me, to fall into the pattern of complaining about what songs aren't being played or how annoying the ticketing process can be or what a pain some of the other stuff can feel like in moments of frustration, but it's kinda awesome how all of that starts to melt away when you're there.  Real eye opener for me this time around, to be so close and to get a sense of how much time waiting translates into distance on the floor.  Supposedly the floors at these stadium shows are holding 8000-10000 people a night.  There's enough rail to fit hundreds.  If you get there before the doors open, and there in the first 1000 or even 2000, to be closer than 80 or 90% of the people there, at worst, seems pretty cool to me.  The screen was so amazing large that being a few feet back wouldn't hurt at all.  My gut instinct is always to get there early, but there's the logical little voice in my head saying, you paid for the Red Zone ticket for the privilege of showing up whenever and being closer than 90% of the crowd for no effort put in, don't waste it.  And then the other little voice says, yeah, but for a minimal amount of effort, you could be closer than 96% of the people.  In other words, it's a fun kind of crazy that I don't think I'm alone in.

The stadium is such a different beast than the arena.  At the arena shows, the stage is much lower, and there's less of it (except for I&E) and being closer to it can really pay off.  At the stadium, it's so high off the ground and so segregated by barricades, and the place is so huge, that you're never right on top of them and they're playing as much to the enormity of the place as they are the people in front of them - in no way complaints, just observations.  Close is still good, but every little inch didn't seem to matter as much at the stadium.

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