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I'm tending to agree. I recall in my late teens - this band released 'The Joshua Tree'. I recall hearing the first single lifted off the album - it was called 'With or Without You' (i know you know),

Lifelong fan and I can’t stop with the new songs. All of them are very solid. Blackout is fantastic so is Get out of your own way  into American Soul. Put in the amazing The Little Things That Give Yo

Any honest opinion is obviously legitimate , but one aspect of this album which I think is undeniable, is that it is an incredibly thoughtful album. It's incredibly honest, nuanced in some metaph

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11 hours ago, adrnik said:

It’s been over a month since SOE  was released and I’m still struggling to see it as anything but mediocre. NLOTH is still a more complete and better album than the 2 following it.

By far from being great but nowhere near as bad as Pop I’m unconvinced that any of us will be raving about it and asking for songs from it to be played live in 10 years.

I would agree that it’s more of an album than SOI. All the elements work well together. It’s just that there’s so little passion and energy to it, Blackout being the one exception and Red Flag Day being the prime example of what I mean.

i do quite like Love is all We Have Left, Love is Bigger and Little things is ok but not a patch on other loved U2 anthems. GOOYOW makes a good album track but not really a single  and You’re the Best thing is just bland.

I’m hoping the songs like with all their previous releases will be taken to another level when it comes to the upcoming tour. I’ve been incredibly lucky to hear and see a lot of songs I never thought I would at TJT and I&E tours. I wonder what surprises there will be?

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12 hours ago, adrnik said:

It’s been over a month since SOE  was released and I’m still struggling to see it as anything but mediocre. NLOTH is still a more complete and better album than the 2 following it.

By far from being great but nowhere near as bad as Pop I’m unconvinced that any of us will be raving about it and asking for songs from it to be played live in 10 years.

I would agree that it’s more of an album than SOI. All the elements work well together. It’s just that there’s so little passion and energy to it, Blackout being the one exception and Red Flag Day being the prime example of what I mean.

i do quite like Love is all We Have Left, Love is Bigger and Little things is ok but not a patch on other loved U2 anthems. GOOYOW makes a good album track but not really a single  and You’re the Best thing is just bland.

I’m hoping the songs like with all their previous releases will be taken to another level when it comes to the upcoming tour. I’ve been incredibly lucky to hear and see a lot of songs I never thought I would at TJT and I&E tours. I wonder what surprises there will be?

I agree with a lot of what you’ve said, including about POP ?.

But I didn’t understand what you said about Red Flag Day....

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1 hour ago, kastee said:

I agree with a lot of what you’ve said, including about POP ?.

But I didn’t understand what you said about Red Flag Day....

you wouldn't be saying that if Popmart had of landed in Adelaide. 

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49 minutes ago, kastee said:

Ha ha! Sour grapes, eh?

It has been 11 years since they played in Adelaide ☹️

nah, I'm just having fun with you. I'm pretty passionate about the *POP* album, I don't get why it didn't get any love when it was released. as a West Aussie I see South Australians as my brother & sisters in tours. we often get skipped. I had to travel to Adelaide for Vertigo. we missed out on ZOO TV Cry.gif.91dd3f2d7fd79d34c474775aceebba7e.gif < that was me in 1993. I know The Killers weren't going to play Adelaide (I have tickets for the Perth, Arena show) then months after they sold out tickets for their concerts. they ended up adding an Adelaide show. now that's great for Adelaide but what about hardcore Killers fans who have paid out money to go to Melbourne? I'm new to the Killers, but I can understand a few people being upset.

 

I travelled to Adelaide to see David BOWIE in 2004 because originally he wasn't coming to Perth. NO WAY they all said, promoter, ticket seller. 2 months later, a Perth show is added! for me it turned out fine as the Adelaide concert was better than the Perth show. that grey zoot suit, being on Gail Ann Dorsey's side. what a concert! I got nothing but love for Adelaide :POP_Heart_03:

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I realise there are some on this forum who love Pop as an album but I think it sounds a mess.

The first three tracks are pretty cool but stuff like 'Gone' and 'LNOE' are awful and then there's 'Playboy Mansion' (yuck!!) and Mofo has to be the worst U2 song ever!

However, the tour was rather impressive!

 

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I agree with a lot of what you’ve said, including about POP ?.

But I didn’t understand what you said about Red Flag Day....

It sounds as if RFD is supposed to be a protest song, something along the lines of SBS... perhaps?

Instead RFD sounds like everyone's going on a fun day out. There's no passion or anger to it.

 

What I am finding strange is that a number of people are claiming SOE is 'great'. Really?

TJT and AB are 'great' albums. Are we now saying SOE sits as an equal to these two classics?

As I said I don't dislike SOE as it makes a pleasant listen for a dinner party or something similar but it has been over produced and the energy and passion have been so smoothed over there's little left.

 

 

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26 minutes ago, adrnik said:

I realise there are some on this forum who love Pop as an album but I think it sounds a mess.

The first three tracks are pretty cool but stuff like 'Gone' and 'LNOE' are awful and then there's 'Playboy Mansion' (yuck!!) and Mofo has to be the worst U2 song ever!

However, the tour was rather impressive!

 

It sounds as if RFD is supposed to be a protest song, something along the lines of SBS... perhaps?

Instead RFD sounds like everyone's going on a fun day out. There's no passion or anger to it.

 

What I am finding strange is that a number of people are claiming SOE is 'great'. Really?

TJT and AB are 'great' albums. Are we now saying SOE sits as an equal to these two classics?

As I said I don't dislike SOE as it makes a pleasant listen for a dinner party or something similar but it has been over produced and the energy and passion have been so smoothed over there's little left.

 

 

POP to me is extremely underrated and if I remember rightly got very good critical acclaim from the magazines. 

It takes all sorts though as MOFO and Gone are 2 of my favourite songs off the album.

i don’t see SOE as up there with the 2 Classics but it is certainly a great album and very strong throughout. I still play from start to finish which is very unusual these days as I normally skip tracks.

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11 hours ago, adrnik said:

I realise there are some on this forum who love Pop as an album but I think it sounds a mess.

The first three tracks are pretty cool but stuff like 'Gone' and 'LNOE' are awful and then there's 'Playboy Mansion' (yuck!!) and Mofo has to be the worst U2 song ever!

However, the tour was rather impressive!

...and this is the glory of music! :) What some find "awful", others find great - the guitar sound on "Gone", IMHO, is amazing - it sounds like hard-rock guitar from outer space. "The Playboy Mansion", IMHO, should have been released as a single - unlike LNOE, which was released as a single but should have been left as an album track (I'll take the video though - how they convinced William Burroughs to be in it, I'll never know... :D

"Mofo", for me, was an experiment that worked - who ever would have thought that U2 could incorporate a hard techno approach into their sound? POP got this undeserved rap as being a "techno" album overall - Mofo was the only song that really got anywhere close to that style of music. I wonder if that rap came partially from the metallic-themed artwork - techno albums at the time often had a shiny appearance... (By the way, Mofo is the third song on POP - so I'm wondering how it could be both "pretty cool" and "the worst U2 song ever"... ;)

The POPMart tour was indeed rather impressive - I saw four shows in 1997 and loved them all.

Back on topic, if SOE has to be JT or AB in order to be considered a great album, they'll never have a great album again and, by extension, they have never had an album of this pre-defined greatness after AB. One of my bones of contention is really using the mere word "great" for JT and AB - these two albums are sublime and magnificent; "great" doesn't do them justice.

SOE is, IMHO and in others as well, a great album - if an album has to be "War" or JT or AB, etc. to be considered especially good, they should have stopped recording a long time ago. In 2017/2018, if they made albums that sounded like any of those, it would be a regression. With this band being at this point in their careers, SOE is far better than what I expected them to be able to come up with. Not that I was underestimating them - far from it. I always have high expectations for them, and for this album they blew me away - IMHO, this is one of their best cohesive wholes from start to finish that they have ever recorded. I literally have great difficulty not listening to the whole thing once I start it  - I want to hear it all every time.

This doesn't happen with every album for me either - there are many albums of theirs I'm quite happy to listen to in parts, even ones I love of theirs - e.g., I love POP and HTDAAB and SOI, but I don't feel like I have to hear the whole thing in one sitting when I listen to them. Their best whole works (IMHO, of course) from start to finish where I feel the need to hear the whole thing once I start listening to them are: AB, NLOTH, and SOE. (I have times when I feel that way about Boy and War too - but not all the time.) So, there is something about SOE that is really resonating with me (and many others here as well)...

Please don't take this extended post (the length of which I was not intending) as a flame of your original post - I just had a lot of thoughts I wanted to get down in one sitting. The main point I am hoping to make is I think that many people have wrongly denied themselves a chance to really like this album because they are subconsciously (if not consciously) demanding that they sound like people they no longer are and never will be again. For example, they made War in their early 20s near the beginning of their careers - how could they sound like that again in the studio? Why would they even want to? Insert any other album with matching relative ages of the band members at the time and the same questions can be asked every bit as accurately.

In 2017/2018 with a band 40 years into their existence, this is a really, really good album. I hope those who still don't feel the greatness of this album as yet will keep listening to it; I also hope that once some of these songs are played live people will finally embrace this album. It's far too early to compare or rank this album among all of their previous work - not enough time has gone by. However, it is my opinion that this album will certainly have a chance to reach exalted status - if not in comparison to their whole catalogue, at least to their work post 90s...

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