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I'm tending to agree. I recall in my late teens - this band released 'The Joshua Tree'. I recall hearing the first single lifted off the album - it was called 'With or Without You' (i know you know),

Lifelong fan and I can’t stop with the new songs. All of them are very solid. Blackout is fantastic so is Get out of your own way  into American Soul. Put in the amazing The Little Things That Give Yo

Any honest opinion is obviously legitimate , but one aspect of this album which I think is undeniable, is that it is an incredibly thoughtful album. It's incredibly honest, nuanced in some metaph

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Please don't take this extended post (the length of which I was not intending) as a flame of your original post - I just had a lot of thoughts I wanted to get down in one sitting.

 

Hi dmway 

Thanks for your reflections - they were fun to read.

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(By the way, Mofo is the third song on POP - so I'm wondering how it could be both "pretty cool" and "the worst U2 song ever"...

I've obviously got too much Mofo on my mind at the moment as what I meant to say is that Miami is the worst U2 track.!!B)

For the record I do like Mofo and especially liked it on the Popmart tour and then it going into I will follow.

 

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Their best whole works (IMHO, of course) from start to finish where I feel the need to hear the whole thing once I start listening to them are: AB, NLOTH, and SOE. 

 

I'm happy to acknowledge SOE works well as a whole cohesive piece. Much better than SOI.

I really liked NLOTH (in my mind it is the best U2 album this side of the millennium) for this same reason and it had tracks that stood out but worked well within the body it belonged to.

To me SOE could be played at a dinner party and be rather pleasant ( it would be cruel of me to label it as elevator music!) but it's just so polished. The songs (IMHO) want to break out of the production that are sounding like a boy band. They'll definitely sound better live and I enjoyed the stuff they did for the BBC.

 

 

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On 23/01/2018 at 1:25 AM, adrnik said:

I realise there are some on this forum who love Pop as an album but I think it sounds a mess.

The first three tracks are pretty cool but stuff like 'Gone' and 'LNOE' are awful and then there's 'Playboy Mansion' (yuck!!) and Mofo has to be the worst U2 song ever!

However, the tour was rather impressive!

 

*POP* seems to have fans in 2 camps, LOVE it or HATE it. there's no in between.

when I first heard Mofo I was like :huh: wtf is this noise? it took many, many listens for the song to grow on me. now it's my favourite on the album along with LNOE. live Mofo is at it's greatest, such energy, the pace of the song. it never lets up.

:POPCart_01: I'm with you on 'Playboy Mansion' that song is a B-Side imo and could of been left off the album as there are plenty of songs on *POP*. 

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I've obviously got too much Mofo on my mind at the moment as what I meant to say is that Miami is the worst U2 track.!!B)

For the record I do like Mofo and especially liked it on the Popmart tour and then it going into I will follow.

oh, you don't like Miami. now that I get. for a long time I didn't like Miami at all but years after the album was released I started to appreciate it's strong points.

Adam's bass & Larry's drumming, it's got this dirty funk thing going on and the lyrics are just a bit of fun. Edge's guitar trying to sound like a car chase is pretty good too.

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1 hour ago, adrnik said:

Thanks for your reflections - they were fun to read.

I've obviously got too much Mofo on my mind at the moment as what I meant to say is that Miami is the worst U2 track.!!B)

For the record I do like Mofo and especially liked it on the Popmart tour and then it going into I will follow.

 

I'm happy to acknowledge SOE works well as a whole cohesive piece. Much better than SOI.

I really liked NLOTH (in my mind it is the best U2 album this side of the millennium) for this same reason and it had tracks that stood out but worked well within the body it belonged to.

To me SOE could be played at a dinner party and be rather pleasant (it would be cruel of me to label it as elevator music!) but it's just so polished. The songs (IMHO) want to break out of the production that are sounding like a boy band. They'll definitely sound better live and I enjoyed the stuff they did for the BBC.

Well, I'm glad you took my (overly) extended comments in the spirit that they were intended. :)

Yes - "Miami" was never my favorite - but I can't say I hated it either. In fact, when they played it on POPMart, I quite liked it...

Yes, the songs on SOI are strong individually, but, as a whole, it just doesn't have the same strong unified nature, so to speak, as SOE.

I'm glad to hear that there are people here who liked NLOTH! :D I've read so many criticisms of it here that, IMHO, are just unfounded. One of my very favorite way to listen to NLOTH is when I'm driving on a long trip - somehow that album captures a sense of motion really well. That may partially arise from the original version of NLOTH as captured on Anton Corbijn's "Linear" companion film (another thing I love about the whole NLOTH package - a video companion of the entire album? Yes, please! :) Tangentially, I was always a bit disappointed that they relegated "Breathe" to an extra on the DVD/BluRay of the U2360 tour - darn it all, the shows began with "Breathe" because it is a great kickoff song - LEAVE IT WHERE IT WAS PLAYED! :D

Now, I do agree that some of the songs sound a bit glossy on SOE - at the same time, that same production gives those songs almost an angelic/heavenly shimmer to them. If I had to guess, I think that was done on purpose - my rationale: Bono was given the instruction to write these songs "as if he were dead" - thus, a "perspective on high" wouldn't be out of place here. Also, in addition to writing emotional stompers over the years,  U2 have written healing, soothing songs as well - I think that has been done here by design too. That is, IMHO, SOE was written to be a sonic antidote, as it were, for our current state of the world. A daring endeavor, to be sure, but U2 have never been guilty of under-dreaming things, have they?

 

(Well, damn - I've written another long post. I had no idea that I had been so verbally constipated recently, apparently. :rolleyes:

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3 minutes ago, dmway said:

Well, I'm glad you took my (overly) extended comments in the spirit that they were intended. :)

Yes - "Miami" was never my favorite - but I can't say I hated it either. In fact, when they played it on POPMart, I quite liked it...

Yes, the songs on SOI are strong individually, but, as a whole, it just doesn't have the same strong unified nature, so to speak, as SOE.

I'm glad to hear that there are people here who liked NLOTH! :D I've read so many criticisms of it here that, IMHO, are just unfounded. One of my very favorite way to listen to NLOTH is when I'm driving on a long trip - somehow that album captures a sense of motion really well. That may partially arise from the original version of NLOTH as captured on Anton Corbijn's "Linear" companion film (another thing I love about the whole NLOTH package - a video companion of the entire album? Yes, please! :) Tangentially, I was always a bit disappointed that they relegated "Breathe" to an extra on the DVD/BluRay of the U2360 tour - darn it all, the shows began with "Breathe" because it is a great kickoff song - LEAVE IT WHERE IT WAS PLAYED! :D

 

I like NLOTH, the album as a whole flows very well. some very strong songs on it, Breathe, MOS, Unknown Caller, IKIGCIIDGCT < not the remix! 

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On 1/22/2018 at 11:57 AM, KEV ANGELL said:

I realise there are some on this forum who love Pop as an album but I think it sounds a mess.

The first three tracks are pretty cool but stuff like 'Gone' and 'LNOE' are awful and then there's 'Playboy Mansion' (yuck!!) and Mofo has to be the worst U2 song ever!

I think Mofo is an incredible song.  For the record:  it's the first track on Pop.  You said you like the first three tracks; which is it?   I'm just kidding.

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I've not been able to be online since early December.  SOE had just been released.  I've had a lot of down time to listen to this album and I love it.  It's growing on me even more and is a daily listen.  I'm not sure how or why, but I think it complements SOI.   I was in central Florida for three weeks.  The Gemini meteor shower was taking place.  It is pitch black where I was.  I saw well over 100 meteors; many were huge ones going all the way across the sky; many times I was seeing three or four or even five at once in every direction.  I was listening to SOE and did not even realize there was a meteor shower.  Seeing meteors all over during Landlady was transcendental.  Seeing a big one during the meteor line of Blackout was very cool.  The album had already really hit my love it button.  I walked around for three or four hours and listened to SOE many times.  Right place at the perfect time.   My favorite song is Landlady.  Seeing all those meteors during that song just made me love it more.

It's my favorite cd since Achtung Baby.  I really like it.

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32 minutes ago, Manohlive said:

I think Mofo is an incredible song.  For the record:  it's the first track on Pop.  You said you like the first three tracks; which is it?   I'm just kidding.

I saw someone already had corrected you.  I still feel like teasing if it's cool.

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20 hours ago, dmway said:

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This doesn't happen with every album for me either - there are many albums of theirs I'm quite happy to listen to in parts, even ones I love of theirs - e.g., I love POP and HTDAAB and SOI, but I don't feel like I have to hear the whole thing in one sitting when I listen to them. Their best whole works (IMHO, of course) from start to finish where I feel the need to hear the whole thing once I start listening to them are: AB, NLOTH, and SOE. (I have times when I feel that way about Boy and War too - but not all the time.) So, there is something about SOE that is really resonating with me (and many others here as well)...

I totally agree  - this SOE is one cohesive work that makes sense in its entirety.  I wanted to listen to Love Is All We Have Left tonight and I am listening to the whole thing through now because it is such a cohesive piece.   

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4 hours ago, JCF said:

I totally agree  - this SOE is one cohesive work that makes sense in its entirety.  I wanted to listen to Love Is All We Have Left tonight and I am listening to the whole thing through now because it is such a cohesive piece.   

Yes - SOE is like one song with 13 parts.

 

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