Ok this is getting ridiculous now, we have 19 hours till the supposed presale start time, no email, no links, conflicting info in FAQ's and from mods re whether there will be staggering within the first group and if so what the time frames are for this and ticketek nz are adamant they are not handling the presales and that seating charts wont be released till sept 3 (just spoke to them on ph), plus there are new site issues. Seriously people, sort it out!!